1.8T 20V Engine code spreadsheet *** back up again, p4 ***

[Michael Ghia]

I have been checking out the archives and the postings on 1.8T 20V engine codes so as to put everything onto a spreadsheet.
So far I have 26 different engine codes and the different things I'm noting are the following:
BHP rating
Compression ratio
Vehicle fitment
Date used
Cast or Forged crank
Head port size
VVT or not VVT
Internal or External Water pump block
Turbo used
Cable throttle or Fly by wire
Injector size.

If anyone has this info on any of the 1.8 20V engines, please post it here and I'll add it to the spreadsheet. I don't mind if things are repeated... it means that I got it right

If anyone thinks I should include anything else in the spreadsheet, please put your ideas here too..

Thanks all

Mike Ghia

[Phil]

Good Idea mate. Once it's finished we can put it in the FAQ's. I'll sticky this for now. [:)]

[Michael Ghia]

Ok,
Codes now up to 36.

I have very little info on which engines have cast and forged cranks.

Also need info on which engines have small port and large port heads.

Also info on injector size, VVT or not, Internal/external water pump, Compression ratio, throttle cable/fly by wire and Turbo spec.

Cheers
MG

[Michael Ghia]

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g250/performanceghia/20V1.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g250/performanceghia/20V1-1.jpg
This is how things look so far.
Please let me know if I've got anything wrong.
MG
Edited by: Michael Ghia

[Michael Ghia]

Someone one here must have more info on these engine codes?
Thanks in advance
Mike

[edc1]

You'll find info on the SEAT engine codes, most have been posted before, on www.seatcupra.net/forums

[Funkyfin2000]

wheres my copy Michael! [LOL]

[Seizure]

AMK:
C/R - 9.5:1
VVT = Yes
Water Pump = Internal
Turbo = K04
Throttle = FBW
Injectors = Large

APY:
C/R - 9.5:1

But saying that, I thought all K04 equipped engines had a 9.0:1 C/R, but that's what ELSA is telling me.

I checked the AGU, AMK and BAM and all of them were 9.5:1 ?!?!?
Edited by: Seizure

[Michael Ghia]

Thanks all for the info,
I'll be publishing the full sheet once its complete. Until that time, please save the spreadsheet above.

Mike

[Ro]

mike... can you confirm that the AJQ code is deffo 180bhp??? i have this engine and thought it was only 150bhp??

cheers
Rowan
Edited by: mouse

[Ro]

this is the turbo number from my AJQ and a picture of the engine, i'm not sure how much info you can get from these but here they are anyway.

http://i17.ebayimg.com/01/i/02/b6/04/6d_1.JPG
http://i13.ebayimg.com/02/i/02/b6/6d/0e_1.JPG
http://i7.ebayimg.com/02/i/02/b6/8f/47_1_b.JPG

mou

[nutter4x4]

yeh AJQ is 180bhp i have one its from an a3 1.8t sport quattro, uses the ko3 sport turbo

[Ro]

woooooooooooo hoooooooooooooooooooo

i just got 30bhp for free!!!!!

Bonus!!!!

[Michael Ghia]

Seizure,
I will check up on the compression ratio's...
Do you have any pics of your install?
Chers
MG

[Lee-GTi]

AMK:
C/R - 9.5:1
VVT = Yes
Water Pump = Internal
Turbo = K04
Throttle = FBW
Injectors = Large

There are two water pumps on the S3/and 225TT there is a small electric one that cooles the turbo down!
you could also have info on what side the thottle body is on as some peep have no idea there are to type's mine is on the N/S hope this helps

[Michael Ghia]

Thanks Lee, I'll look into the inlet manifold idea... it might help a lot of folk.

Seizure,
I've just crossed referenced the AMK pistons and head with the BAM and they are the same so I'm presuming that the compression ratio will also be the same at 9.0:1. Thanks for that.

MG

[Michael Ghia]

Mouse, thanks for the pics.

MG

[Chris H]

How's the spreadsheet coming Michael? [:)]

[Michael Ghia]

Chris,
I have just yesterday installed ETOS on my computer (Skoda, Seat, Audi, VW) parts program on my computer so along with Ekta I should be able to get the other pieces of information I need to complete the spreadsheet... or close to anyway :)
I'll have an update in the next couple of days and will post it up here.
MG

[Michael Ghia]

http://www.performanceghia.com/images/20V1.jpg
http://www.performanceghia.com/images/20V2.jpg

Here's the latest list. I have had a quick look at Etos and it'll take a while to get used to. Its very different to Etka!

MG
Edited by: Michael Ghia

[Funkyfin2000]

Any chance of a copy of ETOS...and exactly what is it?

Links don't work...

[Michael Ghia]

Funkyfin,
ETOS is the computer parts catalogue which is used by the parts department.
I don't have the cd as it was lent to me by a friend and he took it back with him. Sorry mate.
MG

[Michael Ghia]

You can get ETOS and Etka from chris at
syncrogolf2@zonnet.nl
for £5 plus postage.
MG

[Bazrazmataz]

I have a ARZ golf mate it has a ko3 turbo at least that fills in one blank in ur sheet

[Michael Ghia]

Bazraxmataz,
Thanks buddy, can you give me any more info on it? DRW or Cable throttle?
VVT? Internal or external water pump?

Cheers mate.
Please keep the info coming guys.
Mike

[dUff]

AJH from 98 ->
Water pump internal
K03
Non VVT
CABLE

[Michael Ghia]

Thanks dUff.

The engines I'm really struggling on at present are:
VER, BEK, AUG, AMU, AWP.

I have hp figures for all of them, but am missing comp ratio, head port size, VVT, Int/ext, Turbo, DBW/Cable, Injector size and piston pin size.

Thanks
Mike

[Michael Ghia]

Ok,
Here's the latest lists with some other info on a third pic.
http://www.performanceghia.com/images/20vt01.GIF
http://www.performanceghia.com/images/20vt02.GIF
http://www.performanceghia.com/images/20vt03.GIF

I have started finding a few part numbers for parts which are used across the board on the 1.8 20V T engines.

Please keep the info going. If you can fill just one gap, it all helps.
Thanks
MG

[Bazrazmataz]

Drive by wire mate

[harry_the_cake]

Just one thing. When you say "external" water pump. Do you mean the pump is separate to the timing belt?

[Michael Ghia]

Internal water pump means that the water pump is actually bolted into the block, unlike earlier VW blocks where it bolts onto the outside.

Here is a pic (taken from "All Things Scirocco" http://www.funksoulkitty.org/). This is an Internal water pump.

You can see at the bottom left hand corner, the water pump gear and the bulge in the block where it sits.

MG
http://funksoulkitty.org/engineandtranny/AWP/engine/P1160003.JPG
Edited by: Michael Ghia

[dUff]

Hi
This spreadsheet is proving very usefull , would it be possible to have a excel copy that we could download and print out ? I know is your work Michael Ghia what do you think ?

Cheers

[Michael Ghia]

dUff,
I just printed out a page of it in Black and white (portrait) and everything is very clear.
I have spent hours (over 24 now) putting this together. I hope you understand my reluctance to put up a blank copy for anyone to put on their website as their own work.
I'm not painting you in this light, but people will do it.

MG

[Michael Ghia]

Would anyone perfer the "Injector" head be better as showing flow rate rather than just "LARGE/SMALL" ?

MG

[Seizure]

Seizure, Do you have any pics of your install?
Cheers
MG

Yeap, here (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v160/S3izure/Golf%20-%20F990%20SNH/Engine.jpg). Is this what you were after?

Cool. 9:1 comp ratio. [:D] Does anyone know if the manifolds with the large port heads have larger ports as well?
Edited by: Seizure

[Seizure]

dUff,
I just printed out a page of it in Black and white (portrait) and everything is very clear.
I have spent hours (over 24 now) putting this together. I hope you understand my reluctance to put up a blank copy for anyone to put on their website as their own work.
I'm not painting you in this light, but people will do it.

MG

And fair play to you mate. Can you not make a read only passworded copy though? With your name plastered all over it. Or just host it somewhere? I'd love a copy when it's all done. Don't wanna take any of the credit away from you though.

Cheers fella - Keep up the good work.

[Cleggstar]

you could make it into a .pdf file, that way you can have your logo in the background and the page cannot be selected so no text can be copied. then you could just host the file so people can download it?

[badger5]

AUM is K03S?
Is it?

can this be confirmed?

[badger5]

*BUMP*

anyone answer this?

K03S in AUM? or not?

[Michael Ghia]

Badger-Bill.
According to Etka, it uses the same turbo as AUQ and ARY code engines so yes.

MG

[badger5]

thankyou.
thats a bonus to know..
Mrs B Lupo has K03s after all.. hehehe

[veedub99]

can anybody tell me what engine code for a anniversary mk4 golf 20vt is [:s]
Edited by: veedub99

[danmoody]

i think it AUMin the anniversary mk4 golf 20vt
Edited by: danmoody

[jonola]

Lads, love this thread. Sorry if Im hijacking it by asking tech questions.

I got an AWT - on an A6 as above. Also have a mk.1 GTi hence Im on here.

My question is, where is the distributor on these. Ive rebuilt my mk. 1 engine start to finish so know a fair bit but this has me baffled. My engine is longitudinal facing 90 degrees around from the one above. Tried following the HT leads but lose them down back of engine.

Any info much appreciated.

[Michael Ghia]

Jonola,


They don't run a distributor but coil packs.. one for each cylinder.


MG

[harry_the_cake]

Micheal Ghia, the AGU engine has an internal water pump.

[Michael Ghia]

Harry,


Noted thanks. Will change it asap.


Its been a bit quiet recently with info. Please keep the information coming and I'll add it to the spreadsheet.


Mike

[vw_stu]

Hi, just a quick query. Do the engines that have a forged crank also have forged rods and/or pistons?


Sorry if there`s another thread for this sort of question, but the search engine on this website is just pooh, i can`t ever find what i`m looking for[:)]


I`m building a mid-engined scirocco for hillclimbing and i`ve got an AUM lump to go in it, so i`m just trying to find out how far i can push the engine on its standard components. Obviously if its got forged internals then it`ll be cheaper to tune.


So much for the quick query[:D]

[Michael Ghia]

So far as I am aware, the rods are the same as 16V items so not that strong and the pistons are all Cast. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.


BHP... From reading up on this, about 350bhpis the mx you can go to without needing to replace the rods and pistons but don't blame me when it goes bang [LOL]


Mike

[Mixer]

Alright guys let me know if i can help
just got hold of a AUM k03s jobbie
Will be moving it out asap


http://images9.fotki.com/v176/photos/8/80565/2106266/IMG_1150-vi.jpg

[Michael Ghia]

Mixer,


Am missing the Compression ratio on that engine. If you have the equipement to check that it would be great. Thanks


MG
Edited by: Michael Ghia

[GTI1.8T]

Do you still need info on AWP engine???


I own a 2004 GTI with AWP engine, and i can give you info if you need it!!!

[GTI1.8T]

2004 VW GTI 1.8T


Engine Code:AWP


Horsepower:180bhp


Oil Pump: Internal


Turbo: KO3 Sport


Throttle: FBW


Compression Ratio: 9.5:1


VVT, Large Injectors

[Michael Ghia]

Thanks,


Will add it to the next update.


MG

[Jommanjo]

Wife's 51reg Leon Cupra has AUQ code, 180bhp.

This is the code on the front left of the camcover as you look at engine, is that correct? Excuse my ignorance.

[paulgti16v]

anyone know the rod lenght in a bam engine code 20vt lump

[Michael Ghia]

I'd expect its the same as the KR rod length.


MG

[razer]

I have a AWT in my garage and the crank is cast, same with APU. Both have the small head port.

The rods are weaker in the AWT, compared to APU and AGU.
The rods in te AGU is slightly better(stronger?) then the APU.

(I have an AGU, AWT and APU in the garage if it is anything you need to know.)
Edited by: razer

[friendly1_uk]

interesting corelation between 'head port' and 'vvt'.
all known vvt's are small port, and all known non vvt's, are large port

[razer]

interesting corelation between 'head port' and 'vvt'.
all known vvt's are small port, and all known non vvt's, are large port


The APU engine is non vvt and are small port...
Edited by: razer

[boostin20v]

AWD: 00-01 (early) Jetta/Golf [North America], Forged Crank, Small Port, Non-VVT, Internal, K03, DBW

Your also missing enigne codes ADR and AGN (dont know much about them, though I believe the AGN is a naturally asperated 20v).

[boostin20v]

AWW: Forged, Small port, internal, k03 sport, DBW

APH: internal, smaller than normal k03, DBW, small port (whats the U?)

[rallye20v]

audi tt 225 code APX-


what does the u stand for on the valve size for this engine?(APX)does it have small ports or large ports?also are you sure that this engine is non VVT?i thought all 225 bhp engines had VVT.


i also thought that the 225bhp engines had uprated rods and forged pistons-is this not the case?


do the large port engines have large port manifolds to match?(this question has already been asked but not answered-anyone know?)


so does anyone know the ULTIMATE 20v combination for power/torque/reliability? perhaps AGU head with TT/S3 bottom end[:s]


KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!!!!!![:D]
Edited by: rallye20v

[boostin20v]

do the large port engines have large port manifolds to match?(this question has already been asked but not answered-anyone know?)

Yes, the AGU intake manifold has large ports and is designed for use with transverse applications. In the US the AEB engine code (only US large port engine) has its own longitudinal large port intake manifold.

[Ian D]

I have a November 2000 Seat Leon Cupra with APP engine code, dont know much else about it atm though. Will post back when I know

Its FBW
Edited by: Ian D

[Phil]

Thought I'd bump this. Is Michael still around? [:)]

[jc..]

can't view the spreasheet.
Anyone tell me if an AMK head is large port and if it is from a S3 or not

cheers

[boostin20v]

what happened to the links???

[Oli.Hall]

anybody got a copy of this? as the links don't work.

cheers!
Oli.

[Michael Ghia]

Just to let everyone know that its back up... changes in my personal life have made it impossible to do Golf stuff recently so apologies for that.

Is there a clubgti chairman etc who I could post the original to as I don't have time to keep up with the new info so it stays up to date for clubgti?

MG

[Michael Ghia]

Ok what a mess! I'm having major problems with website hosting but have moved these to somewhere else unrelated so hopefully they'll stay up now!
Spreadsheets are back up with updates.

U means... unknown :)

Anymore info would be great.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g250/performanceghia/20V1.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g250/performanceghia/20V1-1.jpg

MG

[Michael Ghia]

Could someone sticky this again please?
MG

[CA121]

which of the turbo engines would be best suited to a mk1 conversion. also is there any advantages/ disadvantages of the large port over the small port heads.
when it says forged crank i take it this is stronger than a normal one.
any help???

[dukhqan]

Small Port size head Engine Codes: ADR, AMB, AMU, APT, APU, ARG, ATC, ATW, AWM, AWP, BEA
Large Port size Head Engine Codes: Typically 97-99: AEB, AGU, AFY

this might help

[Jonny777]

Any chance of any of the links on this actually working?

[Jon P]

Any chance of any of the links on this actually working?


have you contacted Michael Ghia and asked him?

[Switch7]

if you get the original file/link to it, ill host copies forever and ever and ever for nowt.

[Jon P]

we can do it on the forum, we just need the info

[altern8]

Has anyone got the original

[HidRo]

The images with the list? Yes I do, at home...
If you guys want this to upload for the site, just shoot me the email, and I'll email the pics!

[Chris Eyre]

PM'd

[HidRo]

PM and information sent!

[Chris Eyre]

This is what HidRo has sent - is this what people recall?

(save the pics to read them - the forum shrinks the images)

http://www.clubgti.com/forumhosting/20V1.jpg

http://www.clubgti.com/forumhosting/20V2.jpg

http://www.clubgti.com/forumhosting/spreadsheetpic.jpg

[jc..]

still some big holes in the sheet.

here is my 2p

AJL A4 all years, cast crank, large port, Non VVT, Internal pump, KO3s, DBC, Large injectors, 19mm wrist pin (can't see any thing else to the right to fill in)

[Chris Eyre]

still some big holes in the sheet.
Feel free to add information more positively.

You are welcome to input it into a spreadsheet and re-produce a better version [:y:]

[PAB]

Just got a complete salvage 2000 X Seat Leon Cupra with a 180bhp APP engine for a mk2 golf i'm building.... anyone have more info on the APP?

[jc..]

still some big holes in the sheet.
Feel free to add information more positively.

You are welcome to input it into a spreadsheet and re-produce a better version [:y:]

not a criticism but when it started people were adding to it. Its the best resource out there but still has a few holes in it. It was a call for people to get back to checking to see if they can update it

I only have a screen shot so can't add. anyone have a excel version?

[yonner]

sticky!

[yonner]

just striped an ary and it has vvt

[M7R]

I have just spent the last 2 hours or so rebuilding the spread sheet, and have now emailed it to Chris, I have also filled in some more of the blanks, and added a couple more codes [:y:]

(please note, i didnt add the ARY as vvt as I was working from the screen shots so any info that wasnt in them pics isnt in the file, sorry. plus the spread sheet says ary = non vvt... so not sure which is right, if its a some do some dont, or yours is a odd one...so played it safe and left it.)

cheers

Karl.

[richard Mk2]

Great info guide above Chris ^^^^ [:y:]

Only just come across it...

[Chris Eyre]

There's an update due - M7R has been updating it.

Any day...

[richard Mk2]

There's an update due - M7R has been updating it.

Any day...


[:y:]

[M7R]

right its hosted here - CLICK (http://www.clubgti.com/downloads/1.8T engine codes list.xls)

cheers

Karl

Edit 4.1.2010 - now hosted on CGTI

[Chris Eyre]

Sorry Karl - let me get that sorted [:$]

[Michael Ghia]

Good to see everyone has been keeping this updated.
My apologies for being away for so long...

Keep up the good work.
MG