230+bhp from 16v???

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  1. 16valver Forum Member

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    What do you have to do to achieve this from a 2.0 16v kr?


    SBD and QED offer components to build 2.0 vauxhall XE's to this spec. This costs around 4K for the bits, then add on top of that the time to build it. Taking the engine about as far as it will go means methanol, 290+bhp and a 10K price tag, then it needs to be put together!:lol:


    I want to know whether or not it would be cheaper to get a volkswagen 16v to 230+bhp or bung a vauxhall in my golf.


    It must be possible, as the berg cup cars are pushing in excess of this power.


    Any pointers as to who I should speak to would be helpfull.


    Cheers.
     
  2. vw_singh Events Team Paid Member

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    It is possible but very very expensive and have yet to see one other that a vw motorsport engine. I think a couple of the yank motors have managed it but dnt kno in this country.
     
  3. King Kwik

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    hosepower is just torque x revs divide by 5250.

    build an engine capable of revving to 10,000 and you'll get what you want.

    I think 230 is possible. Not cheap. Maybe not nice to drive but possible

    Lee
     
  4. King Kwik

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    oh. speak to racepower 01322 386677

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  5. prof Forum Addict

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    2.3l duratec transplant or an s2000 engine would be a more cost effective solution.

    or even cheaper a much bigger engine in the first place

    220bhp fiat coupe 3k including free car and everything
     
  6. TIM

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    sticking to NA? bolt at turbo on it and you will see more than 230 easily!


    tim
     
  7. 16valver Forum Member

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    It is obviously a race engine, which rules out a cheaper bigger engine due to weight, and pretty much a turbo. Unless you like to spend your time doing quarter miles.


    Cheers, will speak to Racepower.
     
  8. TIM

    Tim Forum Addict

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    why does it rule out a turbo?
     
  9. 16valver Forum Member

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    Because it is in a fwd mk1 golf, and although turbos are good for fast road and quick 20vt golfs; when I am racing up a hillclimb I do not want to start coming on boost half way through a 90mph corner.
     
  10. TIM

    Tim Forum Addict

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    ah ok, i see,


    i think there are a few other hill climbers on here, but with lesser spec cars,


    16v at 10,000 rpm will be mad if you can get it sorted, keep us updated!


    tim
     
  11. 16valver Forum Member

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    I wont be there for a bit yet, but just gathering a bit of info before I commit.
     
  12. TIM

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    ah ok fair enough,


    considereing you will probably be spending 8-10k on the car i would make sure the base car is well sound, absolutly solid 3 dr, with out a sunroof etc etc.... but i guess you have thought of that if you are alreadythinking about the engine!


    tim
     
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    have seen a mk1 golf with a vauxhall red top 2.0 16v about 8+ years ago, kills me to say but that red top engine is a lot better an vdubs 16v, its easy to get 230, even pug's mi16v's are quick in 205's with over 200+
     
  14. TIM

    Tim Forum Addict

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    if you have the car i think you have then its has around that much bhp any way,


    tim
     
  15. kevh Forum Member

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    a man called rob t has built a 2 l 16v motor which pulled 240 brake , and weall have seen it [:D]
     
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    where did robt's post go? [:s]
     
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    he posted on here a min ago, just wondereing where its gone,


    tim
     
  19. RobT

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    deleted it by mistake (DUH) in the process of trying to find some garden
    lights.....domesticity for ya LOL

    Yes its possible to get 250hp from a 2L VW 16V - and its gonna cost
    something like 6-7K UKP which is not far off what thgis kind of power
    would
    cost with any engine - 10K+ for much over 250hp usually (duratec may
    buck this trend though, awesome engine). This would buy you a complete
    engine, TB's, fairly simple management, exhaust. Problem you have is
    that ther
    are very few people who can build these engines well - I got mine from
    Holland where the VW is commonly used for rallycross and grasstrack and
    has a big following like the zetec or crossflow has here. Mine put out
    239hp on a dyno, and its tuned for midrange, easy 10-20hp more to
    come topend if thats what you want.

    Cheers

    Rob
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  20. Mike_H Forum Addict

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    Note of caution...even if you can get that much power, it would be a pretty peaky engine.

    Obviously I know nothing about your driving ability, but I'd say that 'In General' most clubman racers are better off with a milder state of tune, so that the engine is easier to keep on the cam, and power delivery is more controllable - hence they'd be quicker with a 'slower' engine.

    In addition, there's putting the power down, transmission costs, tyres and reliability to think about.

    Incidentally, I know where there's a fresh 195 bhp (Star Performance Rolling Road figs) 2.0 16v on carbs for sale. 2200 was the figure I heard.

    It's for sale because the owner has gone for a 1.8T with 350+bhp. If you want an 'out of the box' engine, you could probably do a lot worse, and you probably couldn't build it for that.
     

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