Powerflex wishbone bushes... again

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  1. Vento Jim Forum Member

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    Hi. I have already done the search and read other posts about these but I'm still a little unsure.



    I have these:



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    Which way do I fit the bush in each wishbone? Essentially, does the large flange of the bush go at the top or bottom?



    The n/s wishbone is the original and the d/s is a pattern and as you can see they are slightly different.



    I gather on the d/s (pattern) the bore is slimmer - "sloppy bush syndrome"! What can I do about this?



    Thanks for any help.



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  2. ^neo^ Forum Junkie

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    Looking at the pic, you need to take the bushes out to see inside which is the radiused edge.
    Should think its the bottom
     
  3. Vento Jim Forum Member

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    It looks to me like the radiused edge will be on the top of the n/s and
    the bottom of the d/s wishbone. This would mean that the new bushes
    will be the opposite way up from each other. Will this matter, or is
    that what they're getting at do u think?



    Got to get the old swines out first!



    Cheers
     
  4. ^neo^ Forum Junkie

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    Clamp them to a bench so the bush is hanging off the edge, smash out the rubber with a hammer (and sharp wood chisel if needed) then chisel out the steel insert.
     
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    would make sence aye, the wishbones arn't sided on a VW :)
     
  6. AndrewF Forum Addict

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    wait a mo...is yours a plus axle or not?

    the plus axle 'bones are sided i believe....and they may well need different powerflex bushes. mk2 bushes are the same as non-plus axle mk3's i believe (all depends on the subframe actually).

    the powerflex bush pictured looks like a plus axle one to me....and i'm pretty sure the wider bit goes on the top.

    check with powerflex is my suggestion.
     
  7. Vento Jim Forum Member

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    Not plus axle. I hope they haven't sent me the wrong bushes as they did
    with the rear beam bushes. It looks like the new bush will fit nicely
    into the original vw wishbone, but there will be axial play in the
    drivers side pattern wishbone. That can't be a good thing??



    I've ripped the rubber part out of both now, I need to get the metal
    outer out which, at the moment looks impossible! I'll let you know how
    I get on.



    Ta :)
     
  8. ^neo^ Forum Junkie

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    If you have trouble (shouldnt do once the rubber is out, just bash from one edge of the bush in towards the centre to squash it up) you can take the blade from a hacksaw, put it through the hole where the rubber was, refit the hacksaw frame and cut through it in a couple of places. Quick whack with a chisel will pop them out :thumbup:
     
  9. AndrewF Forum Addict

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    well, the bushes will deffo fit in the wishbones....but i'd check they're deffo right ones.

    i'll tell you my story....ordered some polysport ones for a mk3 vr6, fitted to wishbone fine, but wishbone wouldn't go into car as the plus axle subframe has a little ridge. turns out these were mk2 bushes, and rally design don't do mk3 ones...so i had to get powerflex, which fitted perfectly and looked identical to yours (but were purple).

    now, with yours what i'm wondering is whether the subframe has the ridge, or is like a mk2 and doesn't have one....if it doesn't have one, will the bush fit in tight enough?! i'm prob worrying you over nothing, but worth checking if they do two bushes.
     
  10. Vento Jim Forum Member

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    I see what you mean now. The subframe does have a little semicircular
    ridge around the bolt hole, whch the metal sleeve part of the bush
    slides into. I have meaured up the outside diameters of the old and new
    bush sleeves and they match up so they should fit properly.



    However, on the instruction sheet it talks about a thin sleeve being
    supplied with the bush kit, which you should insert after installing
    the wishbone but before refitting the bolt. I didn't get one of those -
    what is it? [:s]



    p.s. the powerflex bushes are purple, the colour balance in the picture isn't quite accurate!
     
  11. ^neo^ Forum Junkie

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    Its a sleeve that goes up through the bolt hole........ think it just takes any slop out of the bolt. Never fitted it myself :lol:
     
  12. Vento Jim Forum Member

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    The bolt hole in the PF bush looks a good size anyway! Ah well.



    The metal casings of the old bushes came out really easily! That's a
    relief. I'm still concerned about the 3mm difference in depth of the
    wishbone bush holes (See original post). The pattern only has a depth of 20mm and the bush
    is 23mm! Shoul I just not worry about this? The large flange of the
    bush will be at the bottom this one anyway, i think.



    [:s]



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  13. ^neo^ Forum Junkie

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    That part of the bush doesnt actually touch anything, its mainly the metal pin through the centre that does all the work.
     
  14. Vento Jim Forum Member

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    Yeah but the wishone will slide up and down on the bush. Hmmm.



    I guess I'll just go for it! Thanks folks
     
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    Anyone got any ideas on how to get the front bushes out? They're bonded into the wishbone and aren't budging.[:x]
     
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    that doesn't sound right...can you take a pic just so i understand what you mean?


    drill through the rubber.
     
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    I just about to do the same job and plan to cut the lip off one end, then soak
    the whole thing overnight in diesel then rig up a tube and a socket in the
    vice to push the Bu**er out - the socket pushing on the rubber and the bush
    being shoved into the tube. Failing that annoy the neighbours and burn it
    out!
    Barkstar [:*:]
     
  18. Vento Jim Forum Member

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    That sounds like quite an elaborate plan!



    One of my problems is that I don't have any fancy tools or equipment -
    I'm a student in a rented house. Fortunately the landlord lives next
    door and he's an alright bloke, so I've already bothered him today to
    use his vice for the rear bushes. He didn't seem keen about letting me
    at it myself unfortunately :(



    I was thinking about burning it out, but I don't have a blow torch. Again, I'm reluctant to bother the landlord too much!






    I would have gone about it this way if I was at home with access to a
    power drill. Sadly I've only got a hand drill and some blunt bits! And
    still no vice.



    I'll keep trying!
     
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  20. Barkstar Forum Member

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    Okay, nothing like a challenge, Cut lip off, give it a good dose of WD40 and
    leave to soak. Then clamp it in the vice - ask your landlord really nicely - so
    the tube through the middle is clamped and swing on the wishbone to get
    the bush moving in its housing and work it along the bush as far as it can
    go. Then turn the wishbone in the vice so as the bit of bush sticking out is
    gripped and repeat.
    Failing that a 5 bribe at a local garage might do the trick ;)
    Barkstar [:*:]
     

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