Mk1 Handling upgrades

Discussion in 'Chassis' started by SilverR, Oct 18, 2021.

  1. SilverR New Member

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    Hello

    I have a mk1 Jetta 16v, that i took on a few track days this summer and i got the itch for some more. Over the winter i would like improve some stuff that were lacking on track. I dont want go full racecar, but something thats decent on track and road.

    Most serious one is definatley the brakes, i think i will get those adapters to fit 280mm brakes from a g60, as the 239mm-s didnt really like repeated hard braking from around 110mph. I already have disc brakes in the rear.

    But on the suspension department i am not that sure what route to go for. Car is currently quite soft and leans alot, also overall i think i would like it more precise.
    I currently have eibach springs with regular bilstein gas dampers, i figured id get the b6 bilstein dampers as i am kinda happy with the ride height. Or are there any better solutions for similar price? I think most coilovers worth buying start around 900-ish eur range? I can get bilsteins for around 450-500 eur range.
    Also, would anykind of adjustable top mounts be worth it? I currently have some original spec replacements and they seem quite soft.
    Full poly bushes on the entire suspension? I currently have only the steering rack bushes, rest are newish original spec.
    If anyone has any idea on a strut bar that fits with a tall block 16v on K-jet, id also like to get one. I have the bottom one that connects to the wishbone bolts.

    I have also some tracking related questions. I currently have the car setup by a old rallycross racer, its got some toe out on the front(-0°32') and camber at -0°55' . I really liked the toe out change, turn-in feels very nice, but i guess some more camber would be better?
    Car also has some caster related issues, this i why also figured adjustable top mounts would help. For whatever reason, right side has 2°30' of caster and left side has 1°20'. I guess the lower wishbone mount is maybe tweaked slightly but this cant really be good for the handling right?
     
  2. Tristan

    Tristan Paid Member Paid Member

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    Sounds like a great plan.
    Re the castor, you'd want to check for a bit of chassis damage, or possibly a damaged upright/hub, or even mismatched pair of wishbones.
    Ideally you'd want to get the castor matching, and preferably increase the lower figure to match the 2.30.

    You could probably increase the camber a bit, but I wouldn't go mad unless you're running grippy Tires. You'd really need to look at the temperatures and wear on a couple of trackdays to see what the tires like.

    Re brakes, I used to road rally my mk1, (semi legal joy riding on Country lanes :lol:) and i fitted Opel/Vauxhall calipers on mk2 16v 256mm discs. Brilliant stopping power due to a much stiffer caliper than the vw one. No adapters needed. Its a common mod.

    Re suspension, it's hard to beat Bilstein, if you still want to have it road usable.
    I'd look at B8 though rather than B6. More suited to a car with lowering springs.
     
  3. SilverR New Member

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    Thanks for the reply.

    There is nothing that really looks damaged in the suspension or body wise. Car had a bit of a smack on the right side under the bumper, but it didnt look that serious, still has all of its original panels. Any suggestions fixing this are welcome.

    I ran toyo proxes t1r-s but i think i will get some semislicks for the next season. Those toyos are quite poor imo. Did not have much sidewall wear i think, so i guess camber might be fine? Ran them around 2.1 bar, seemed like the sweet spot. Temperature wise they turned to mush in about 5-6 hot laps.
    But i might consider some decent regular street tires, but most performance oriented stuff in around 195/50R15 size seem to be semislicks. I am not a fan of these toyos even in street use, wet grip is dreadful.

    Thanks for the brake suggestion, already asked my opel friend for them. They have a similar piston size to the vw stuff right? My car already has the 22mm master.

    Ill see if i can find b8-s in cartridge form, other ones seem quite expensive.

    Also is there any noticeable difference in street riding with full poly bushes vs regular?
     
  4. Tristan

    Tristan Paid Member Paid Member

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    More nvh with poly.
    Re the brakes, they need a 1.0mm wall sleeve on the vw mounting bolts, and a Calibra (iirc) pipe. They must have a similar piston as they work really well even with a 22mm cylinder.
     

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