I'm fitting a VW KR head to a Audi ACE 2.0 16 valve block an I was wondering if anybody knew the answers to the following questions? 1. Do I use a cambelt and tensioner for the KR or the ACE? 2. What sump gasket do i use, KR or ACE? Thanks in advance, pete
If the ACE is a short block, use the KR belt and tensioner, if the ACE had an auto tensioner, bin it, use the KR manual one ( a new one ) as you're using the KR head, you won't need to change the stud that the tensioner is fitted too. (it's a different size stud) I binned the auto tensioner on my 9A and fitted the stud and tensioner from a KR. Use whatever gasket to match the sump. Edited by: GVK
Thats great, thanks Gary yeah the block is a short block, I'll get the KR tensioner and belt from GSF in the morning I'll pick up the gasket whilst i'm there also, think that'll bring the total to about 11 gaskets i've ordered today! there not cheap as well [:^(] pete
It's always the little bits that add up when you're doing a job like this, as you're finding out Edited by: GVK
Yup, don't use a cheap one. I did and never made it to Stealth, though the lift home from the AA saved me a fiver on the Severn bridge and a load of petrol! Buy an ABF metal gasket and fit it and forget about it.
Cheers guys, yeah the costs are spiralling my last big spend should hopefully be the starter motor then I've got to pay for it to get set up hopefully it shouldnt take to long, I'm going for a Victor Rehinz (SP) headset kit for the ACE from GSF, hopefully they'll have it in stock tomorrow, Steph I still havent found the oil filter housing either!! hopefully one will turn up otherwise its off to the dealer again Pete Edited by: Peter
Might be able to help you with oil filter housing and any other bits you need Pm-me, you can have them cheap!
Pete, Any GTI housing will do, take the housing off the KR engine that you are replacing, you will need to buy a gasket, if you havnt bought the bottom end gasket set. Oh if you Havnt replaced the oil pump, make sure the pick up pipe is cleaned out. if the victor gasket isnt a metal one sent it back to GSF, you really dont want the hassle
I would also suggest you won't be able to use most of the gaskets in the head set for an ACE. As you'll need KR rocker cover gasket,manifold gaskets etc.... Ok, you do need a genuine VAG metal head gasket though.
Are you sure? I thought the ACE was basically a newer 6A? When I stripped my KR to build up 6A the KR oil filter housing definitely did not fit the 6A. If the ACE is indeed the same as a 6A then the valve cover gasket is the same as a KR as are the exhaust manifold gaskets. In any case make sure you take the old ACE headgasket to GSF and make sure you get the right one. In the Victor Reinz packet there's usually a little leaflet that has all the engine codes and relevant gasket part numbers - check this too.
Sean, the later 9A like mine (92-94) has an ABF type head and rocker cover with studs and nuts rather than bolts ( different gasket) ACE engine was from similar years as late 9A from memory.
I think Pete will need to be very careful (esp as it's GSF lol). GSF list: 11491B Head Gasket SET - 6A/ACE 90> but 11144A Head Gasket ACE 3/94> & 11144A Head Gasket ABF 92-97 So could it be that there is an "early" ACE=6A and a "late" ACE=ABF ? I'm at work so can't check on ETKA.
It appears so, on a '93 it lists the same gasket for '6A' and 'Ace' click And '94 on it shows just the 'ace' with a different gasket part number click that one matches the ABF gasket click Edited by: Oplaii
Just thought of something else, the ACE head set will not have the gasket that goes between the 2 sections of the inlet manifold, your best bet is to go for the 9a head set. The only thing that would stop the head gasket fitting would be a metal pin that is on the block, but these can be pulled out easy enough. The oil filter housing on the ace is tilted at an angle which makes it unusable, I swapped it with one off a Passat , it looked bog standard with 2 holes for the sensors, the one on the 6a has three holes, both fit, If your stuck Pete, I give you a spare.
Peter - I've not got any clever gasket advice but glad to hear the 2 Litre conversion is coming along! Good luck.
Thanks again everyone Spent the day stripping down the engine as it had all the Audi ancillaries still attached, separated the head and block was really pleased to see no obvious wear in the bores Spent a good while sourcing bits, my head gasket is being delivered in the morning as well as tensioner and Ive got to pop into my dealer to pick up some gaskets and new bolts for the flywheel. My pack A head hopefully goes on tomorrow and Ive got a lightened flywheel and new clutch assembly to go on, all being well the bare engine should be complete tomorrow evening, one question do I need to remove everything from the block i.e. water hoses and other little bits or is best to leave certain things in place? Steph, thanks mate thats really cool Ive sent you a pm
