mk2 1.3 1991 -> mk3 vr6

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  1. dkoli New Member

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    I have a mk2 1.3 thats j reg (apparently being post 90 makes the wiring a lot easier).

    I have a mk3 vr6 donor.

    I think I need a corrado pedal box and crossmember which Ive got an with accelerator cable (even thought the 1.3 one is fine apparently).

    Do I need anything else?

    I dont really care about wide track or not, so I guess its easier to use wide track with all the mk3 parts.

    Do I need another rad or can I use the mk3 one/mount the mk2 one lower or something?

    I have a friend who im paying to do most of the work as hes a mechanic whos always fooling around with cars but hes never done a vr6 swap into a mk2 so I need to know everything before so we dont run into any avoidable problems.

    Been trying to sort this swap since 2009 whilst being at uni and im just finished and have all the money and parts available so I want to crack on as soon as.

    Thanks, Oli
     
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    Ive read these before as well as a another couple of tuts but they all assume you are using 1.8 8v or 16v, as mines a 1.3 there may be other issues.
     
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    corrado vr6 subframe is the one to have it makes the engine sit better. mk3 one is similar but makes engine sit too high, but you can mod the subframe or mount to lower it. pedal box only needed if going hydro clutch, can use seat cable conversion kit. front corrado vr6 crossmember or high spec passat/toledo is needed for direct fit for front vr6 mount, otherwise buy mk2 vr6 conversion moun t.

    wishbones, rack, shafts, roll bar etc since you have the mk3 golf just use it all, its all same as corrado vr6. if you dont want wide track and/or you want 4 stud then use mk2 golf gti shafts. change the bearing carriers if you want bigger brakes, but you can keep the 1.3 ones for now if you stay 4 stud.

    you will need a mk2 16v/g60 exhaust, or 8v gti with a reducer. buy a cat bypass for the vr6 and it will all bolt together, or knock the insides out the mk3 cat. corrado vr6 rad and pipes is direct fit, but the mk3 vr6 one can be made to fit with some tweaking/custom brackets/cut up the mk3 rad fan carrier. 1990 did a howto on this somewhere.

    keep the 1.3 speedo cable but you need big block clocks as speedo is calibrated different
     
  4. dkoli New Member

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    Ok bear with me.

    Ive ordered the cross member and pedal box and using a mk3 vr6. Wide track/5 stud is fine.

    I may be able to get hold of a vr6 rad/pipes which with the crossmember and mk2 mounts will fit, but first im going to try and make the mk3 one fit.

    I have a custom built powerflow exhaust system which should do the job.

    My dash is from a gti as the 1.3 one doesnt even have a rev count. So is that alright or will i need to get clocks from the mk3 vr6?

    Thanks in advance, I know theres a lot of info already online its just everyone does it differently and im paying someone 400 to do it, but if we run into major problems Ill have to pay more so trying to figure it all out now.
     
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    is there a difference in mk3 rear subframes and corrado ones RJ?Something i never came across
     
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    rubjonny Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    yup! i didnt think so either but then i found out they are in fact different. etka you can see the vr has a 535 xxx xxx nuber, mk3 one is 1H0 xxx xxx
     
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    Quick question about the clutch.

    Changing to hydraulic seemed easiest, just swap over from mk3 and use corrado pedal box.

    But I really like the way my mk2 'feels' when I drive it. Its older and lower than other cars ive driven. When I drove the mk3 donor I could tell the difference. Usually I attribute it all to suspension but now im thinking will having the hyd clutch make my mk2 feel different to if I had a cable conversion.

    I guess the gear box is going to be different anyway, but I like the way my gears shift if that makes sense and it might be down to the cable.

    If so can you link me to the conversion kit and is it as simple (or easier) than swapping for the hyd one?
     
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    Ok so ive got the lump in, but turns out there are some issues.

    Gear selector: the 1.3 was shaft driven whereas the vr6 is rod/cable. So that needs modifying

    Also the steering racks arent compatible, the teeth are different.

    Will try and post all the pics underneath
     
  11. dkoli New Member

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    Steering:

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    also wiring loom doesnt look like a straight swap even though its a 91 mk2 jreg

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    Other than that just need to put reducer for my exhaust, swap fuel tanks, whack the rad and pedal box in then im done. Going to put a strut brace underneath the engine to support the legs and then either swap the rear axel for a gti one or look for a conversion kit to put big disc brakes on the back.

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    I'm assuming the car was originally non-PAS? Hence the difference in lower steering universal joints (u/js).

    The gearbox you're putting in is cable-shift as opposed the the Mk2's original rod-shift, so all that old gear linkage needs to be removed and the Mk3 cable shifter installed.

    You shouldn't have to have chopped any of the wiring loom...the engine component section of the donor loom will plug straight into your original fuse box. Depending on the age of the donor car though, it might have the lighting loom incorporated (rather than separate engine and lighting looms like the Mk2/earlier Mk3s). In that case you'd be better off stripping out the engine related stuff and keep your original lighting loom intact.
     
  13. rubjonny

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    for the steering uj fit the one from the mk3. there are 2 different splines for mk3, plus pas and manual are different too. regardless of uj they all fit mk2 steering tube. need mk2 pas uj boot too

    and yup someone cut your loom so you have a lot of splicing to do :(
     

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