MK2 Driver Clocks into MK2 with MK3 GTi engine

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  1. rubjonny

    rubjonny Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    yeah speed sensor for the mfa, if they're gti clocks then it should have one and someones nicked it in the past. if they're base rev counter clocks then they dont nneed the sensor, but the speedometer has been swapped in from a gti set at some point, as there should be a plastic blank in the hole to keep the dust out. the wee tab just holds the blue foil down neat, no need to worry about it.

    plug the coil in then check those 2 posts with a multimeter. one will be live, the other probably wont read anything (its pulsed by the spark module to ground) if you look close it may be labelled inside + and -. the 3 wires to the coil itself are left alone
     
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    PhilRyder Paid Member Paid Member

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    Thanks, exactly what I am doing but without the MFA.
     
  3. PhilRyder

    PhilRyder Paid Member Paid Member

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    Thanks John, they are Driver clocks. I wonder if anyone is likely to have the blanking part going spare?
     
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    PhilRyder Paid Member Paid Member

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    So, to make sure I've got this right. Detach whatever wire is connected to G1/12 and run a new wire from G1/12 to the negative terminal on the coil?
     
  5. rubjonny

    rubjonny Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    The blanking panel is moulded in, you have to poke/lever it out so once out it cant be replaced

    If you unwrap the loom next to the coil poke around till you find the green/white then cut and run it to coil

    As I say check fusebox end to confirm wire colour, sometimes it differs
     
  6. PhilRyder

    PhilRyder Paid Member Paid Member

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    Job done! :thumbup::clap: very pleased.

    This is what happened, a bit of an unnecessary saga.

    To start with we took the old clocks out in order to test the new clocks. However, it was a huge struggle to fit the cable into the new clocks. It didn’t seem to want to go at all. On inspection the rears are different……….hold that thought.
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    New
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    So we then swapped the old speedo into the new clocks - quite straightforward.
    Popped the new clocks with old speedo in the car to test.
    We found that the petrol gauge didn’t seem to be working? And neither were a bulb or two. The dial bulbs had been fitted with LEDs. So we swapped the old bulbs in and they seemed to be intermittent.
    Anyway we needed to test the temp gauge so off for a test. The result was that the gauge was not steady, going up and down and when the fan cut in the temp light would flash - weird. However, fuel gauge now working fine.
    I then noticed that the new gauges are VDO and the old ones Motometer. Clearly it would not do to have a mix and match and this accounted for the different rears (you can now stop holding that thought).
    Now we tried the new speedo on the cable out of the clock housing, it fitted fine - more weird. So we put the new speedo back in the new housing.
    It was then that I realised that when we were taking the clocks apart Ralph undid the screws that hold the temp gauge in place. I checked them and they were loose! Bad earth perhaps? Sure enough, tightened up, clocks back in the car - working perfectly :clap: Bulbs also working fine :clap: (I fairly and squarely blame Ralph for that waste of time and concern that something was broken)
    We were going to adjust the odometer to match the old clocks but decided it was not worth the risk of damage so we took pictures for proof for the insurance company as the new odometer has a higher reading by 4k miles.

    Now for the rev counter. Johnny said green and white but when I undid some loom the only green and white did not go to the fuse box but to the engine multi plug. So checked the fuse box FAQ thread and the green and white is for a 16v. According to @davidut5 (thanks David) pic above the wire is green and black. So, fuse box out to double check [:v:] and sure enough G1/12 is green and black. This corresponded to what was in the loom too :thumbup:
    Coil off, flap open, wire soldered to negative terminal.
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    Snipped the green and black and connected fuse box end to new wire and wa heeeyyyyyy revs!! :clap:
    Made sure the connection was a removable one should we need to change the coil and wrapped the loom back up.
    Got the strobe gun out and everything seems to be about right.

    A pretty successful if not longwinded couple of hours. Thanks for everyone’s help :thumbup:
     
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    About the rew counter, i noticed somethimes when engine starts it goes all the way to the stop after redline. Yours does this?
    Cant remember if it did with original 1.6 driver clocks, as i now have replaced for mfa.
    Also the temperature gauge is half line lower than before. As far as i know both clusters were vdo.
     
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    Interesting, no the rev counter doesn’t do that but the temp is a little lower. We shall monitor and see if anything changes :thumbup:
     
  9. rubjonny

    rubjonny Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    well I did say check the fusebox pin first since the colour can differ ;) motometer and VDO speedo are the same fitment for the cable, but having said that it looks like the grey piece has popped out of place a bit, you may be able to pop it back in.

    and no the rev counter shouldnt peg at max, you probably have a bad earth somewhere or have lost one of the ignition feeds to ecu
     

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