Mk2 Not Starting - Problem Solved! YAY...

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  1. Richard Mk2

    Richard Mk2 Paid Member Paid Member

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    As most of you know, ive just converted my Mk2 Driver to a GTi 8v.

    I thought i'd start it up today, but there seems to be a problem!!

    The starter is cranking the engine, but it won't start up.

    I just popped to Eurocarparts to get a new battery and a fuel pump relay,, as the fuel pump wouldnt prime with the old one, and its still the same???

    Anyone know what it could be? The undercar pump is now priming, and cuts out after a few seconds when the ignition is turned on, which is normal... But there is still no spark to start the car up??

    Any help would be much appreciated... :thumbup:

    Cheers!!
     
  2. Richard Mk2

    Richard Mk2 Paid Member Paid Member

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    Just been around the garage again trying to sort it out.

    Checked the firing order and all is ok.

    Took the dizzy cap off and turned it over, and the rotor arm looked like it was struggling to move round...

    Could it be a faulty distributor stopping it from starting?

    Also, my coil has 5 connectors on the end of it, but there is only 4 plugs which connect to it?
    Could i have put these in the wrong order?

    Any help would be great!!

    EDIT -

    The ISV seems to be buzzing when the ignition is on to???



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  3. Funky Diver Forum Member

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    err... your coil?? Sure you don't mean your dizzy cap? The red thing (generally) stuck on the front of the engine.

    Ordinarily the four outside ones are for the plugs and the centre one leads to your coil which should have a single connector on it.

    (Ignore me if this is something NEW and exciting... I'm used to simple cars, lol... none of your fancy pants electronic stuff, lol)
     
  4. Richard Mk2

    Richard Mk2 Paid Member Paid Member

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    I know where the dizzy is mate :lol: ;)

    My coil seems to have two connections at the bottom, and three at the top for some reason.
    It worked perfectly on my 1.8 Driver...

    The bottom one has a block connector connecting the two, but the top one has 3???

    Like this one on the right -

    [​IMG]

    Not sure if i have linked these up in the wrong order or not...

    Been reading through various other threads, and it maybe the ICU?
     
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    ahaaaaa... I learnt summat new [:D]

    See... modern damfangled cars, lol (mines 20 yrs old)
     
  6. Richard Mk2

    Richard Mk2 Paid Member Paid Member

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    Can anyone else possibly know what maybe causing this ???

    Cheers!
     
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    Are you still using the spark amplifier and coil from the driver, or have you swapped them for GTI ones? I'm not sure if they're different, but it would be worth checking on VAGCAT.

    I'm fairly sure there are different models of coil between different ignition setups.
     
  8. Richard Mk2

    Richard Mk2 Paid Member Paid Member

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    Cheers for getting back Mike...

    i just checked on the GSF website, and the driver coils and GTi ones are both the same part... [:s]

    Could it be anything else??? :thumbup:
     
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  9. shaz8389

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    Rich did you set the timing right... I know it's a silly question but I had a similar problem with your old engine because it wasn't timed up right.
     
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    ...and the spark amplifier?
     
  11. Richard Mk2

    Richard Mk2 Paid Member Paid Member

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    What is the spark amplifier Mike [:$]
     
  12. Richard Mk2

    Richard Mk2 Paid Member Paid Member

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    Sorry Mike. You mean the ignition control amplifier on top of the ecu... I think i may have used the 1.8 Driver one...

    Could this be the cause???:thumbup:
     
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    Not sure i even know how to set the timing tbh... But the problem im having points to something electrical/ignition related....
     
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    if theres no spark at the plug my guess would be ign amp, if theres spark at the plug and feul, id say timing, with the rotor turning slow could ign timing be too advance?
    if you line up the crank on the flywheel, check the cam mark is inline and pop the dizzi cap off, the rotor arm should almost line up with the notch in the housing to get 6 degrees, but bang on with rotor and notch at 0 should still start.
    does it backfire when trying to start it?

    iv learnt alot since getting this gti, and digifant is like no other car :/ if yours is gigi, or is it kjet?
     
  15. Richard Mk2

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    Cheers for the info ^^^

    Mine is a Digi. Its not back firing at all and doesn't feel like it wants to start...

    It could well be the ignition amp. I suppose its worth changing to see if it makes any diference...

    If this doesn't make any difference could it be the coil.
    Also does anyone know where the four connectors go on the coil?

    :thumbup:
     
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    I'm not sure if they're different, but it would be worth checking in VAGCAT.
     
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    Just had a look on VAGCAT and it lists the same part for 1.6 - 2.0L engines!!!

    [​IMG]
     
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    coil + tci same across the range, it is normal to only use 4 of the 5 connections. black wires go to the 15/+ side with 3 spades on, green & red/black to the 1/- side with 2.

    does the rev counter jiggle, and pumps run when car is cranking? if not, you have a hall sensor signal problem. did you get new cap & arm, the digi arm is diffo to the carby arm for some reason, iirc the shaft is a different size.

    fact fuel pump primes at all means the ecu is at least powering up. where are you checking the spark, at the plugs or the king lead?
     
  19. Richard Mk2

    Richard Mk2 Paid Member Paid Member

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    Hi R.J. The arm is the same one that came with the gti lump, but i did use the driver dzzy cap as it was new.
    The rev counter does move when cranking and the you can hear the under car pump working.
    Also the Isv seems to buzz when the ignition is on. Is that normal?
     
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    I havent tested for a spark yet. But something is definately holding it back from firing up?
     

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