Where did I say that remaps will give well over that figure by default? I do hope you are not misquoting me. Having had a PD130 and PD150, which have both been remapped and both had brake and suspension upgrades I feel my input is merited and certainly not clueless. Please refrain from name calling in future. Just because you have 15,000+ posts doesn't mean you can be disrespectful. Do you not realise that your overly aggressive responses not only embaresses yourself but also the forum? Everyone is already aware you're the biggest cock in the coop.
Wouldnt recommend blowing seals on your block, wouldnt be very comfortable, might get some funny looks from your neighbours aswell.
You're not reading the posts are you. Where does it say that I 'said' you made the above statetment....exactly, I didn't. What I said was that you were 'implying' - something quite different. I don't really give a monkeys if someone has a Veyron or a mini on here...ownership doesn't equal sense. For anyone to advocate a serious hike in power and maintain the oem brakes are sufficient (for all conditions), is about as irresponsible as you can get. If you consider that 'name calling' or 'disrespectful', then I'm afraid its tough luck - a view shared by most on this forum. And no point have I said you don't have a valuable contribution to make either. I'm being aggressive am I? That's interesting. I didn't realise you were sat here beside me when I posted the above posts. You must belong to the matt82 mind reader club. Don't confuse you're paranoid interpretation of events to make character judgements because you don't have even the slightest clue. And no, I'm not embarrassed at all, only by newbie members like you which this forum doesn't really need. Goto another forum to post your nonsense, then it saves others having to correct your mistakes. And the icing on the cake - brilliant After accusing me of name calling you free fall into hypocrisy and default to the last defensive resort you have - a lame insult dressed up as a metaphor. As for the opinions of everyone....well, I couldn't give a rats tbh. I know what the people who count on here think of me and that amounts to many, many members on my msn list. Give yourself a good pat on the back newbie - you've just revealed the true you - weak and cornered like a animal with no escape. Pathetic. And in the usual fashion of these sort of situations, if you've got any remaining respect for the forum, perhaps you should start respecting Tosh's thread, which isn't a springboard for you to launch a 'feeling sorry for myself' rant.
I implied nothing. I gave a straight answer. From where do you believe I implied different? I think it is you not reading the posts - if you reread the original question it is based on power...not on brakes. For anything other than track racing the standard 288mm set up is substantial enough post remap. Having driven with this set up I can say that from experience. Uprated suspension should be higher on the list. Then brakes. Then ATB diff/ARBs. Of course, should you feel the brakes on your remapped PD150 were not up to sufficient standards then that is your belief and your driving style that has caused this. I believe that calling someone 'clueless' is aggressive. I do not have to be sat next to you nor read minds to know this. I gave a merited answer to the initial question....I do not see how this was clueless? It was you who dragged Tosh's thread down to such a childish level. I'm very glad you have such a substantial MSN list - your socialising on the internet at least keeps you away from people that live in the real world. Should you be going to Ed38 I will gladly show you how my 280mm brakes bring my remapped PD150 to an abrupt halt. I am not an online terrorist I am a VW enthusiast...and will gladly let you reaccess your opinion. That will, of course, mean you'll have to reveal yourself from your hiding place behind your monitor.
Really. Lets look at you original post again: “most remaps will easily see 195bhp/290lbs on a PD150 + Standard brakes can cope with the power upgrade” If the first statement isn’t implication, then you are stating a fact as with the 2nd statement. Either way, the reader is not getting the truth. End of. Your idea of ‘substantial’ is obviously well below that of everyone else then, including owners, tuners, brake manufacturers. There is little merit to an incorrect answer, and almost as less to a far fetched opinion on brakes. Oh it’s my fault is it. Since when was the word ‘clueless’ childish? It’s a completely adult word for most of us. I believe it was YOU who dragged the thread down with the use of swear words and implying, quite laughably in fact, that I was enemy no.1. As for msn lists, where do you get the idea the people on the list aren’t people I see everyday in the flesh – the same place as your remap/brakes statements?? I don’t need to see your car to appreciate in ‘your’ opinion that your brakes are adequate. We’re now well aware of this despite it prob. being contrary to the rest of the planet. Please also note: 1) I don’t need your permission to re-access my opinion. 2) I think everyone can clearly see you are the one hiding – from the embarrassment of being wrong. We could of course keep going on like this again and again. But believe me, Mods and Admin only have so much patience (albeit more than the thread starter). I suggest you accept your error, publicly or privately, and bring the matter to a close.
This thread would prove that post count is not directly proportional to VW knowledge I would say Simon Is right.
Christ, this thread must be a magnet for them, they're turning out in droves. First name basis....must be the 'lets all save A7UFO' brigade You may well be right Aphex. But If I gave you unreliable information which you relied on, to your deteriment, you most likely want to 'have a word'. Point made.
sorry for yet another newbie stepping in here but having worked for brembo and working on countless race and road cars i would say im qualified to say that in no way unless you were planning on doing track work with your car would you need to uprate your brakes unless you drive flat out everywhere like a maniac and your brakes overheat. Then you would have serious problems. Usually it's older cars that receive big power hikes and the old components and technology can't hack the heat and pressure but modern day brakes can normally handle decent power hikes no probs and as you are not adding weight to the car they will cope fine. Hopefully this helps not taking sides just giving the facts. Cheers all and loving the site
Point noted Hawk, but the boundary's are becoming blurred here. In this scenario, akaic, what has to be assumed must be covered, is the worst case scenario and not the best. Thus the brakes on public roads must be capable of handling the worst case scenario - which would be a modified car driver driving flat out at some point. We already know from statistics that the demographic most involved in accidents are young males - the same one that usually modifies cars too. As for the technical aspect re brakes I can also cite opinions from those working closely with manufacturers and the info as presented to me a while back (bearing in mind the mk4 was designed in the mid-90s) was that std brakes were in no way over engineered. Also note that my main point in this debacle concerns the remap.
I offered you a way to look beyond your ignorant ways to actually experience the set up that I am discussing rather than forming your view from opinions of others or mental perceptions of brake sizeower. I am happy to keep this at a courteous level so you can actually learn. Out of interest, what brakes are you running on your 130?
I've a GTTDI 150 and had a GIAC remap done by Star performance. Now puts out 187bhp/282ft.lbs Did a 15.6 q mile with a 7.1 0-60 at Inters this year. Returned 49mpg on the road home at just a bit over 70. Did a bit of research before I got it done and there's a lot of guys out there with more power than me, done mega miles on a remap with no problems except for some with slipping clutches (standard clutch can only cope with 300ft.lbs) Don't want to get into the brake arguement but ( ) a remap isn't going to make the car go any faster (unless you raise the rev limiter) just accelerate quicker so, for normal use, standard brakes should be fine (mine are standard).
So your remap doesn't put out 195bhp that most remaps apparently do? Could you also define 'normal' use too I agree with Aphex, shame some people don't know how to agree to disagree
Is that question's directed at me, then what I mean by 'normal' driving is mainly driving within the speed limit, with the occasional blast and heavy brake. Personally, I've enough confidence in the standard brake setup to stop the car from it's maximum speed, not that I've ever tried that tho Took the mk4 round the 'ring this summer (just did 2 laps) and before the end of the second lap the brakes were fading noticeably but that's not normal driving. Not against brake upgrades (have g60 setup with Pagid pads on my mk2) just saying they're usually unnecessary for road driving. Back on topic tho, remaps rock! (tho HIC increased my premium by 25%).
Forget the brakes thing, though following this above, I rest my case! The problem with the Ring thing, is that there's very few people on it, and those who are, almost expect the inevitability of a crash. The point about the remap more importantly, is that you are exactly the evidence supporting the whole debate....that these particular remaps seldom put out over 190, and even if they did, there's plenty of mitigating factors bringing that number down. And yes, remaps do rock. So if we're going to endorse them to other members, lets be accurate about it!
187bhp/282ft.lbs on a rolling road, indoors, with simulated air flow? I've noticed that many people doing a 20vt conversion to their mk2s use the 280mm set up. Considering it's 200bhp for remapped 150bhp management it's certainly enough, even for the mapped 180bhp engines @ 230bhp. Admittantly the mk4 is a heavier car but with the calipers possibly being bigger but definatly more efficiant, as well as the servo/master cylinder, the mk4 will have far more advantages in stopping. I making sure a brake fluid service is carried out every 2 years should be more of a priority. That would be interesting.....
