TFSI Tuning Comparisons - What goes on inside

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  1. m1keh Forum Member

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    So interest got the better of me over the weekend and I wanted to get to know a bit more about the settings that various K04 tunes run.

    Below is an overview of what I have found - I hope others find it interesting.

    Firstly I went out and collected a set of logs from my Entirely Stock S3 according to these guidelines by APR.

    http://www.goapr.com/support/datalogging.php
    (For anyone wishing to do similar I would change the 103-1 Current Fuel Pressure channel to "inlet air temperature" - This will show if your heatsoaked or intercooler is inefficient etc)

    The above confirmed to me that my car was in reasonable health. A generic HP = airflow/0.8 came out at an optimistic 274hp as an average over 6 runs... From a car which should be 265hp standard. Along with the good MAF reading, boost matching setpoint, Fuel Pressure controlled well, minimal timing retardation and no missfire's logged, I was happy that my car was in good health.

    Then I hit this goldmine thread of logs from a Badger 5 TFSI dyno day - thanks again to Bill and everyone who took part and created this data set.
    http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=392011

    Headline Figures copied here to give an idea of what the different stages offer in terms of torque and power - note some anomalies.

    Code:
    name	          bhp torque map
    badgerwagen	369.6	351.3	REVO2
    Mat Holman	 361.7 333.7 REVO2+
    Andrew Connelly	347.4	323.8	REVO2+
    david cheung	345.9	338	APR2+ map1
    Scott Ferrar	345	301.3	REVO2+
    david cheung	344.4	359.3	APR2+ map2
    mark cousins	341.5	333	APR 2+
    rick humphreys	304.6	333	badger5 stg1
    quintin rose	271.8	287.1	REVO1
    
    TFSi sorted torque max to min
    Code:
    name	          bhp torque map
    david cheung	344.4	359.3	APR2+ map2
    badgerwagen	369.6	351.3	REVO2
    david cheung	345.9	338	APR2+ map1
    Mat Holman	 361.7 333.7 REVO2+
    mark cousins	341.5	333	APR 2+
    rick humphreys	304.6	333	badger5 stg1
    Andrew Connelly	347.4	323.8	REVO2+
    Scott Ferrar	345	301.3	REVO2+
    quintin rose	271.8	287.1	REVO1
    
    
    So I then got out excel and started making some comparisons.

    Firstly Requested Boost
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    Actual Boost
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    So here we can see as I would expect - higher stage of tune = higher boost levels. Worth Noting however the Revo Stage 1 car did not make it's requested boost - and ended overall with a low HP Figure - points to some kind of hardware issue on this particular car.

    Second point worth noting is the APR 2+ map has a much larger boost spike in the middle leading to the higher torque figures seen - although the requested boost doesn't ask for this spike. This would translate into a mid range kick feel whilst driving which some drivers may like.

    Then Onto Rail Pressure
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    Only specified rail pressure plotted here for illustration - most of these cars are very close the specified value so I did not feel the need for another graph.
    Interestingly though the "APR 2+" data I had to plot here is much lower than a Revo tune. Even though APR Specify the need for the upgraded HPFP for 2+. The Revo 1 car undershoots it's target by around 4 Bar in the mid range- showing it is on the limit of the standard pump. Hence why the upgraded pump is needed for 2+

    And finally for now Ignition Timing - Only a few logs here as thats all the data I have.
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    From here we can see that Most stage 1 tunes aren't moving the ignition timing away from stock - and I imagine most stage 2 cars would also be fairly similar. However the Stage 2 car logged here was running water meth which will drop the IAT's meaning that the advance can be pushed further before knock.

    Lambda Comparison for the Top 4 cars here.
    tfsi-max_bhp_comparisons.jpg

    I hope this has made interesting reading for some of you.

    If anyone else has good data-logs to add in to the above I am happy to stick them in. A stock K03 set of APR style logs would be nice also to add in so we can see where a MK5 Gti sits.
     
    Last edited: May 5, 2015
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