Baffled sump/windage tray pics

The yanks use "rustoleum" on the inside of their blocks and sumps, seems heatproof enough and helps the oil drain down faster. No ide if it's available over here though, or even how it's applied.......

 

stephcasscar, thats a mk3 windage tray like the ones you can get from GSF.

 

Whats the Windgae tray do??

The baffled sump stops the oil sloshing to one side on a hard corner.

 

Stops oil sloshing up into the path of the crank, prevents the crank whipping up bubbles into the oil and the (slight) power loss from driving the crank through the oil.

 

Ahhhh. cheers, that makes sense.

Wheres the best place to get a good baffled sump and windage tray??

 

Better late than never

TSR one, same principles really:

 

Now i know what my TSR one looks like .

 

so could do a DIY jobbie then

 

Whats the price on these?

 

These what?

 

Only 4 months late Gary. You been having an "early morning bump session" hehe.

Gary and I bought a Schrick sump from Germany. But to be honest, it doesnt work out that much cheaper than buying from say, G-Werks. The windage tray is a VW TDI one, someone quoted previously saying they were 22.50 + vat from GSF.

 

Do Gwerks do Schrick sumps?, how much did you pay for yours? (if you don`t mind me asking..).

 

Best would be an oil-shedding coating, perhaps Teflon based. I picked up some literature at the PRI show from Tech Line Coatings [www.techlinecoatings.com] but I would be surprised if someone in the UK is not also manufacturing them (or distributing for Tech Line).

Besides easing drain back one of the reasons given for painting inside blocks was to seal in remaining casting sand. With modern foundry techniques etc. I am not sure that this is still needed. Many professional teams will go so far as to de-burr and polish the inside of the block -- depends what level of competition you're at whether this makes sense.

 

Keith, mine was €170, but add on shipping from Germany and it soon adds up.

G-Werks do the Schrick sump for 150.

 

Ive made my baffled sump, its very similar to the lizards, the wintage tray was 25 quid.

150 is a bit pricey, I would would a dry sump system for that kind of money

 

The power loss can be significant when the crank moves through fluid oil. One way some dyno operators measure this is to tilt the engine at a 45 degree angle fore and aft or side to side -- this measures the effects of 1g force and many modern race cars easily exceed that. Formula SAE tests entrants cars by tilting them at a 45 degree angle on a table. The car is further tilted to 60 degrees to measure its tendency to roll over with the driver seated.

Formula One engineers estimate that up to 8% power is lost to windage effects and that, I am sure, does not include the crank plowing through liquid oil.

 

Steph, if you can dry sump your car for 150 please share the secrets.

Quality comes at a price remember, lovely cast alloy sump. And it says Schrick on it dammit!!

 

I paid around $200 for a Drake Engineering baffled sump with trap doors and windage tray about 30 years ago. That was for a 1.6. Seems like the VWMotorsports one was patterned after the Drake one.

Dave Bean Engineering offered a swinging sump pickup for the Formula Ford engines with good success for many years. Might be workable in the VW pan as well.

 

Never said I could get one for 150, but thats what I would want.

and unless the cars up on ramps your not going to see the sump, especially if you slam it,
practical not Bling

I'm Scottish its in my genes to be tight

 

Sump alone was 130 from Bar-Tek- 199 on Awesome GTI store.

Straying OT slightly, jonmurgie from MDracing.co.uk is dry sumping his MI16 205 and has already spent nearly 1500