Best year for a pre-cat donor 8V?

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  1. RobT

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    If you were going to buy a car in which to put a savagely tuned 8V....what would be the best donor car ?

    It would have to be pre-1992 so a cat test wasn't needed (J-reg and before)
    This is because it would be on webbers
    A 2L bottom end would be nice but I think this wasn't around in 1991 ?
    Ibiza's are out as the Mk2 wasn't out till 1993 (pre 93 was Seat's crappy Fiat-like stages)

    So whats the base car ?

    Cheers

    Rob
     
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    late spec i would say you get all the elecy winows and pas n stuff
     
  3. A.N. Other Banned after significant club disruption Dec 5th 2

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    C'mon Craig!

    Definitely webers - no K-jet?
     
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    what would be harder to change the pumps or pas
    is it going to be a track or daily?

    Im thinking of the nice bits for a daily
     
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    Ah, I think I've misread this

    /coat!
     
  6. RobT

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    What I'm thinking of is a low budget trackday car but with some use as a daily (not much though as I walk to work mostly these days)

    As new a car as possible, a 91 would be nice, so wiring etc is as new as it can be for reliability

    Want to stick with lightweight bits - stay with 020 box, 8V lumo with say target 170-180hp, Running 280 brakes. Will prpbably put a 2L 8V in it. Webbers and distributor for simplicity.

    No cat.

    PAS would be nice. Leccy windows dont matter but would be fine. No sunroof ideally.

    Using as many stock VW bits as possible.

    Cheers

    Rob
     
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  7. drunkenalan Paid Member Paid Member

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    stick a 16v in it!!:lol: :lol:

    there you go i said before one of the valver mob comes along and says it..

    Hang on...

    Your one of the valver mob!
     
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    dont the early ones come with 239 disks and late spec 256s so you would need to change the hubs on an early one
     
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    AFAIK all 8vs come with 239 discs

    I would say any 8v would do, the best you can get get for your money, personally i prefer Digi cars, but for webers i cant see that it would matter.

    the later 90 onwards digi cars with the newer wiring looms will be easier to work with, the early digis like my white one the wiring is pretty poor TBH much prefer the newer loom which i what i am using in a fashion for megasquirt.

    on a more styling orientated point get a white one they are much faster.. every one knows that.
     
  10. RobT

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    your right, I love valvers to bits, but have this warped idea of getting an 8V to perform.......on a budget.......and detail exactly how......and then take it to a trackday and beat some valvers.......:lol:

    weight is the key ;)

    and this will be no stripped out special

    so a 90 or a 91 car is the one so far.....any more advances ?

    white or red I think but will depend what I can get in good nick - anyone seen anything ?
     
  11. luke w

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    If you are after light weight then surely a Mk1 is your best choice, also has more room for the weber carbs than the Mk2.
     
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    I dont want a Mk1 thanks
     
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    Do yo need a car with the engine already fitted or are you okay with engine swaps?
     
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    with what you have said above, and also the other topic regarding manifolds, have you considered using the crossflow head instead of the standard type? will give you more direct airflow to the carbs for one
     
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    I would like a car with an 8V engine already fitted so all wiring is direct swap over - my thinking is to do a very easy bottom end swap and drop in a 2L - then do something with the top end......see separate threads on manifolds

    @ 'norman' - yes I had thought of this but want something thats more 'run of the mill' easy and with a rearward weight bias for handling - carbs off the back of the engine is workable at this power IMO especially with a couple ideas I have on the carbs front......(over to other thread later tonight)
     
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  16. luke w

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    Scirocco?
     
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    Lower centre of gravity as well compare to a more regular hatch back.
     
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    Have a look at the MOT technical regulations, as far as I’m aware the emissions test goes on either the age of the car or the age of the engine, whichever is the older. My syncro had to conform to the emissions for the year of the car even though the engine was out of a 2004 car, if you can prove the engine is a pre cat model then it should only have to conform to the emission test for the year of the engine.


    That’s the way I understand the ruling, but I’m sure there is something that refers to the way they test the emission in the technical book they have, worth checking. If the engine has an engine code I can tell you in what models it was fitted and on what years, that will prove it is a non-cat model, that’s if it is a non cat model.

    Have a look at the engine FAQ section, I added a pdf of al the engine and gearbox codes for the VW’s and Audi’s

    So basically run whatever year car you want and fit an older engine
     
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    I always thought it was the other way round, the emissions are tested based on the age of the car irrespective of the engine fitted?
     

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