The 2Y is a rod change 020 type box. You can fit the 2Y but you'll have to change the clutch centre plate (bigger output on a 16v box). The better box to use without changing anything would be a MK1 1600 GTi as it has a 3.9 final drive, the 16v 2Y has a 3.67. If you plan on fitting an AVX (4.25) final drive then it wont matter which you use apart from the clutch issue. If it's largely for hillclimb use then the 4.25 will be fine, it'll always be in the power band thats for sure! What sort of power & torque do you have ? Ideally, you want the rpm to stay within the peak torque band after each gear change.
the engine is running but hasnt been properly mapped yet and is only using a standardish map, initial runs on the rollers were around the 187 bhp mark and i cant remember the torque figures. its going in 2mro for the omex to be properly configured so by tues il have a proper power figure for both. I dont no the exact details but im fairly sure the omex is so specific with its maps u can create, u can move the band around so i shud be able to keep it in the power all the time. i have sourced a 2Y box from a local vw breaker and i was going to get the avx final drive new from vw. do i need to do some matching up with the 4th gear? i was reading the transmission FAQ and in the end too much info caused my head to hurt!!! so if i was to order an LUK 2Y clutch plate and put it with my clutch i wud solve the shaft problem?? ive been at a rally today and watched a mk1 2.0 16v make an Evo 9 look very ordinary love it!!!!
There is a recent thread on here for how to change a 2Y final drive, but keep the large input shaft. 4.60 on my data - straight out of Haynes, so could do with verification + part no. This is the co: http://stores.ebay.co.uk/t2transmissions
any ideas where??? sat and trawled through pages and pages .... must be going blind. thanks for the ebay link, looks like he may have a box built ready to go.
lol ok well ive found bits and pieces so im pretty sure wat im doing wit this now!!! many thanks for all ur help with this guys, my first forum thread so hopefully speak to you all again soon. cheers Steve
4.60 sounds good to me, could be cheap from Rover ? Or if an old box/van can be found... Had a look at that link (thanks), any idea what the 4.47 is from... more likely Austin-Rover than VW ? The Astra box he has for sale is a bit expensive !... for a standard unit with a diff.
Good luck and keep us posted. If yr power is genuinely that high then you'll tear apart a standard type clutch ( ) with enthusiastic launches off the line! You'll need a better set-up from Helix with a paddle type plate or a Sach's sporting kit (neither are cheap). How much is the AVX crown wheel/pinion from VW ?
A quick mooch on ETOS/ETKA should confirm. Not sure where you'd source a Rover item these days. Any ideas? Really could do with an Austin/Rover parts catalogue tbh. Might be worth a cross check to Bildon in case they list the same one. Don't think they're too silly - 150-ish I think
157 retail from VW and they have stock!!! ive just ordered my box, rebuilt FM box with 4:47 FD and Kaaz Plate LSD. need to look into clutches, its gonna get some serious abuse!! Mr Hillclimber do race in the southwest?????
Some ex Rover dealers still supply parts. Maybe somebody on the Maestro/Montego owners forum could help... though they'd probably throw eggs at the screen if we tell them it's for VW use ! Thats a whole lot less than they're charging on E-bay !
Thats a good price. You sure about that plate diff... ever driven one! Did'nt you say earlier you had an LSD ?.. I guessed you may have had a Quaife. I use a Helix paddle centre plate with a sprung centre and their heavy duty pressure plate, has been brilliant over the last three years, and it certainly has had some serious abuse. Yeah I do, you planning on joining us this year ? I see yr not too far away from me, I'm down in Plymouth.
Ah, here's a 4.64 on Bildon http://www.bildon.com/catalog/DetailsList.cfm?ID=10.309.4641&Nav=5 OEM I suspect Full list here: http://www.bildon.com/catalog/results.cfm?category=Drivetrain&SubCategory=Gearsets&Nav=5
only once, but having spent nearly 2 hours on the phone to the chap on ebay@ t2 decided the advantages of the Kaaz plate 1 are huge, its fully adjustable so u can dial in it or loosen it or use it to remove understeer etc. and its cheaper than the quaife. ok the Quaife has life time garuntee but if i dont like the quaife ATB then im kinda stuck with it and have wasted a bucket load of mula!!! Clutch sounds good, is that a helix autosports 1??? il have a browse over their website and give them a ring. any idea on cost?? not that it matters yeh i will be, im also building a mk1 gti dedicated hillclimb car (mk3 stil gets driven to work everyday ) which has an identical engine but that wont be ready this year so the mk3 will be abused for now. im in taunton, im down in cornwall stage rallying in 3 weeks time on the tor of cornwall. looking after a mk2 escort
350-400, but the Helix cover (the bit that bolts to the flywheel in the 020 instance) is actually a Sachs item, which can probably be bought direct elsewhere without the Helix margin. Part nos: Helix paddle: 76-4578 (that's for a 16V large input shaft) Helix cover: 60-4574 / Sachs no is M210X and I once cross reffed this to 3082 149 436 per Sachs site, but please check.
If your using a 16v diff or LSD then you'll need to machine the O/d of the diff, or the I/D of the crown wheel to make it fit. There's 2mm difference in the size. As for those clutch plates. All they do is add another layer of springs to the outer edge to increase the clamping pressure. Something you could do yourself if you have a spare clutchplate. The rivets are soft as poo so you could use a modded high tensile bolts as a replacement, and peen the ends over like a rivet is.
im using a Kaaz plate LSD and FM 8v box with a 4:47 FD. this is all being built by t2performace so i dont have to worry, he built 12 of these last year and says that when i collect it will slide straight into my car with no problems. so i can just put 2 standard clutch plates together with bolts??????
Don't think you got what i wrote about the clutch plates. You use 1 clutch plates, but the springs from 2 doubled up. Box will slide straight in no problems. Just saying if you'd have ordered it yourself you could have run into trouble with the different size spigots.
AH ok i get you, so the actual plate itself will be fine yeh it just need double springs??? Yeh in the end i was 95 % sure wat i needed thanks to all u guys and ur help and effort to explain, i just left that last bit of specific detail to T2 and he knew exactly wat i needed and had all the parts in stock. its been a vertical learning curve but hopefully the end result shud be sensational.
