the cams will be shiney because of the contact with the tappets. what about the rest of the metal in there?
future reference everyone. if you wanna start a debate jsut whisper those 3 little words.....auto transmission fluid
lol! this is funny, very! you're questioning national and international companies about the effectiveness of their products. Wheres your authority to question professional engineering companies? do you not think that somehow their R&D depts might have done abit of testing, given the hundreds of thousands they spend on research! Forte sell direct to the trade, so their customers are nobodys fools. A company wouldn't be turning over millions if the product didn't work a proven professional product is going to have slightly more sway than an back street trick of the trade. its not a debate afaic, its as cut n dry as black and white.
look at slick50. large international company. look at castrol's reputation with magnatec. i know a guy that took a selection of 'octane boosters' to an independant lab to test whether they actually did what they promised. only one out of eight did... Millers. just because they are in pretty packaging on a shelf does not mean theyre any good
thats kinda valid but then you have to start looking into methodology, is the lab measuring with the same rule ect ect - many factors to consider. overall point - the marketed product is a safer bet than a trick of the trade ps. Forte is a trade product - you'll never see it on a shelf and its has lousy packaging because the trade dont care about that.
i have heard very good things about forte. their injector cleaner is very good i have heard. when i got the golf i was after an injector cleaner due to its age etc. i looked at a few that were available (including Wynns infact) and they just said add contents to fuel tank. well the tank in the golf is 45L... the one in my previous audi was larger... they all vary. so it hardly seemed like it was a well considered product if the dilution didnt matter. so i got millers... 500ml bottle per 40L of unleaded. gives you more confidence and it made the idle less wobbly. it was the same with the diesel injector cleaners. wynns just said... add the bottle to the tank. millers came with squeezy aplicator lid thing so that the right amount was added. not all products are the same/equal due to the fact they made it onto a shelf. as for tricks of the trade.... ive used the atf trick and ive see how amazingly it works. my brother got a clio with 56k that had never had an oil change in its life. the engine (even the dipstick) was coated with thick black crud. atf cleaned all that off in one sitting (i gave him my 5k old 10w40 semi synth with atf). so whats your point about tricks of the trade? cos ive see this one work
that is amazingly blinkered. car makers can dish out crap cars and still make money. look at ecp cheap engine mounts. utter tat but still in circulation... because of people's view that "well its on a shelf so it must be good" ffs
Bear in mind Seraph even branded products that are designed for the job at hand carry a warning on the container about the possibility of damage to the engine. Same with Holts radflush and radweld.
you even get 'big brands' who get cheap nasty products and rebrand them so they can sell them for more... so yeah, off the shelf is always great ffs
agreed but the original point here, is that a lay person is better off buying a manufactured product rather than rely on a trade trick as for Windows, and any other product for that matter, there will always be a dissatisfied minority - thats the nature of the beast. this thread/point isn't about 'shelf life' of products. Tbh, im amazed at how suddenly we have marketing experts in this thread who know everything about the statistical longevity of engineered items! too much lay knowledge here for my liking. No!!! stop wasting money! lol If you really are feeling flush, then go for it, throw money at the car. But theres no sense in the course of a regualr service.
Only if the old ones are tired or look worn or if you have a misfire or flatspot you are trying to cure. Plenty of mk2's out there are still on their original leads including mine.
