crank sensor is always worth a look on these. APU main feeds: 1 & 2 - brown - earth 3 - red/green - ignition live 21 - white/black - earth trigger for coilpack/ecu main power relay 62 - red - permanent live 65 - red/blue - earth trigger for fuel relay 121 - red/green - power from coilpack/ecu main power relay if the donor was a passat the wiring is totally different to MK4, heres a list though I suspect its a little late now you've probably chopped and binned all the old plugs: T10b - 10 pin, black 1 - blu - alternator pin D+ 2 - grn/blu - ecu pin 37 (rev counter signal) 3 - wht/gry - oil pressure switch 4 - red - permanent live for ecu & ecu + coilpack power relay 5 - brn/yel - earth for coolant temperature and level sensors for clocks 7 - blu/yel - coolant level sensor for clocks 8 - red/blu - fuel pump relay earth trigger 9 - blu/brn - coolant temp sensor for clocks 10- brn/red - speedometer sender for clocks T10d - 10 pin, brown 1 - grn/blk - diagnostics K-line 2 - yel/brn - ecu pin 47 (Emissions fault lamp, unused) 3 - wht/blu - vehicle speed signal 4 - red/black - starter motor pin 50 8 - blk/red - oil level temp sensor pin 1 (ignition live) 9 - blu/gry - oil level/temp sensor pin 3 (sensor feed to clocks) 10 - yel - ecu pin 81 (mpg signal, unused) T10e - 10 pin, orange 1 - red/grn - power to ecu and coilpacks from supply relay 2 - red/brn - ecu pin 48 (EPC fault lamp, unused) 4 - red/grn - ignition live (10a fuse) 5 - grn/yel - power to injectors (fuel pump relay, 20a fuse) 6 - wht/yel - ecu pin 80 (fuel system diagnostic pump, unused) 8 - grn/yel - power for engine control valves (from fuel relay, 15a fuse) T15a - 15 pin, white 1 - yel/blu - DBW pedal pin 4 (T6r black plug pin 1) 2 - yel/pur - DBW pedal pin 2 (T6r black plug pin 2) 3 - brn/red - DBW pedal pin 3 (T6r black plug pin 3) 4 - gry/yel - DBW pedal pin 5 (T6r black plug pin 4) 5 - gry - DBW pedal pin 1 (T6r black plug pin 5) 6 - brn/grn - DBW pedal pin 6 (T6r black plug pin 6) 7 - red/gry - cruise control 8 - blu - cruise control 9 - red/yel - cruise control 10 - blk/wht - cruise control 11 - red/black - brake light switch pin 2 (brakes on) 12 - wht/red - brake light switch pin 4 (cruise control brake switch) 13 - red/grn - clutch switch T15s - 15 pin, red 1 - grn/brn - ABS unit (only for models with TCS) 2 - blk/yel - speed boost signal (aircon/heated screen switch) 3 - blk/gry - aircon 5 - blk/pur - ecu pin 30 (unused) 14 - org/brn - CAN-BUS LOW 15 - org/blk - CAN-BUS HIGH
Thanks this is great. it does tally with the pinouts i have and i have wired from what i can tell as below. i will check tongiht, but its looking likley a crank sensor issue. i do have a spare so will swap it out. Thanks Jim.
Hi, so following on from what Rubjonny posted for the APU loom, i have it wired as such black/blue, red/green, green/yellow all to fused switch live ecu relay pin 30 perm live pin 86 ign live pin 85 white/black (pin 21 ecu) pin 87 thin red/green(pin 121 ecu) Fuel pump relay pin 30 perm live pin 86 ign live pin 85 red/blue fuel pump earth pin 87 to fuel pump. should this work, or have i missed something. thanks Jim.
if you have the ecu pin 3 red/green to switched live thats fine, red pin 62 you could put to the ecu relay pin 30 same as mk4 dbw. just make sure you have a 15a fuse on the ecu relay perm live feed as the coilpack wiring can be prone to cracking and shorting, plus a blown coilpack can put a high load on the feed also. the various ecu power feeds such as maf, injectors, control valves etc are usually fed from fuel relay on their own fuses, but switched live is also ok so long as the feeds chosen can take the load
Thankyou , thats exactly what i have done. and it still wont fire, still returning the same ecu relay open circuit code. i'm suspecting a faulty ecu now. do you think its a requirement for the pedal to be wired for it to fire ? (no code for it showing) managed to get another for £45,so will knock the immo off and flash over my file ,at the very least i have spare if mine is faulty.
whats the exact code you're getting, does the relay click and give power to coilpacks? any life from fuel pump ignition on and cranking?
HI , code is 17069 - ECM power relay control circuit. P0685 35 - 00 Open circuit. my understanding is that this should not stop it from starting? Relay seem to give a audible click. Fuel pump side works as it should. i dont as yet have the pedal connected, but surely this wont stop it from starting and idling ? As the engine is at the rear of my T25 and the ignition at the front its a pain to do some stuff alone. i did put it on measuring block 1 in vcds, and i can see rpm when cranking so asssum its not a crank sensor issue.
i did when i check last night, is there a voltage that you would expect to see above? i can then check again and provide an alternate feed if need be. thanks jim.
now running thanks for the help but have a vcds 17748 fault. relates to cam shaft postion sensor or engine speed sensor. these were not present before the conversion as engine ran fine on old ecu. Engine is hunting but running. Does anyone know if you need to change the cam wheel from 1 to 4 slot when going wideband on a AEB engine. Or is this related to VVT ?? whihc AEB does not have ?
no the rotor is same for wide and narrow band, single trigger window. link just gives some tips for the code thats all with VVT if the ecu has it and engine not you'll get a code for VVT not being plugged in, if ecu hasn't got it then it makes no odds if you have the vvt tensioner on the engine or not it'll be ignored either way. you can change to non-vvt tensioner to neaten it up though
Ok so down to the last issue, i seem to have no pedal . This i assume can only be down to the extension of the wiring, as i had to exend it 7m to the rear of the van. 1 - yel/blu - DBW pedal pin 4 (T6r black plug pin 1) - ecu pin 35 2 - yel/pur - DBW pedal pin 2 (T6r black plug pin 2) - ecu pin 73 3 - brn/red - DBW pedal pin 3 (T6r black plug pin 3) - ecu pin 36 4 - gry/yel - DBW pedal pin 5 (T6r black plug pin 4) - ecu pin 33 5 - gry - DBW pedal pin 1 (T6r black plug pin 5) - ecu pin 72 6 - brn/grn - DBW pedal pin 6 (T6r black plug pin 6) - ecu pin 34 does the above read correct ? is there any differance between 1.8t pedals ? currently using a golf ecu on the passat loom, so it is a hybrid at best.
the pinout differs for the early type actuator and later type complete pedal assembly, which are you using?
ok complete pedal assy. ECU -> T10h blue plug -> pedal plug: 34 -> 1 -> 6 - Pedal Sensor 2 72 -> 2 -> 1 - 5V 73 -> 3 -> 2 - 5V 36 -> 4 -> 3 - earth 35 -> 5 -> 4 - Pedal Sensor 1 33 -> 6 -> 5 - earth
ok good news, i can confirm pedal movement on vcds via measuring blocks. however no movement from throttle body. its the gift that keeps on giving. chekcing the autodata drawing i have throttle bodies are the same pin for pin. time to break out the mutli meter and check pins for voltage.
scanning with vcds now reveals a 17987 P1579 - 35 -00, however when i go into mb 060 and tyr to adapt it instantly says error. i've checked the pins outs and athe 2 i checked ARY and APU have the same pinout, is there a differance between a ME7.1 non wideband and ME7.5 Wideband throttle body internally ? i swapped the apu ecu back in and the throttle body adapts. this would seem to imply the wiring itself is ok? tried my spare wideband ecu and same problem, throttle body wont adapt and says error in the measuring block.