seems to have turned into an e36 vs e30 thread i like the e30....not enough to buy one. and yes i can handle rear wheel drive....done some grass track before with those raptor things vfr 400 engines. feck me they were fun on a track a golf or anything else may be faster.....but we all know whats more fun to watch round a track
Good advice of course, but E36 tho is nowhere near as tail happy as the E30, a far more controlable rear. I've driven rear wheel drivers of many types & with way way more power than E30s & still one of the most tail happy in the wet is an E30 325i with an LSD, (maybe M3E30 not as bad as less midrange torque tho) however Z M coupes/cabs- - the jobbies with E30 underpinnings but E36M3Evo power, now they are worse! Anyway rags- ref your post on the BMW forum, you've given GVKs car as an example & said its a 2L with'all the goodies' well its not mate, on standard cams & injection its a long way from that, the mods are a few hundred quid & the bare bhp facts are that in the form it was tracked it was only about 30bhp up on what a decent standard valver can record on the same rollers (i.e good standard= low 150's bhp) & actually I think Mallory was before his flowed head & thus only about 20 bhp over. Ive lapped at a similar pace with various E30M3s- when I just had similar power to GVK- pre flowed head, & there was nothing in it vs a much better driver mate in a road tyred 968CS, (tho to be fair I did have track rubber on for that session which is worth a good 2 secs a lap) which is quite a bit swifter than a boggo M3E30 on a similar par to a top of the line Evo- (tho I do think a 968 is quicker but thats another story!) A 2l with what you describe to be all the goodies would be pumping out a whole lot more grunt- in the 220bhp area, & more if you really went mad, even at list weights an early valver is sub 1000kg, 980kg I think it is & an M3 list weight is still 250kg more than that.
Agree about the E30 325i sport being a frisky little beast, mate had one of those before getting his E36 M3 Evo with Schnitzer toys, always sideways was the old E30 Remember a magazine testing the E36 when it came out and being a bit dissapointed with the handling. Journo's comments were "Hmm, with that power and layout I was expecting the handling to be like a group 4 Escort*, but it wasn't." (* mk2 Escort rally car BDA with rwd and 200+bhp) Edited by: G_V_K
def! Had to sell mine in the end, cos i thought it would kill me!!! REC, if the m3s what you want...id go for it! It ll only niggle you once you get something else. Lifes too short for regrets!
Rags, mine had very few toys back then. Standard 2.0 16v, coilovers, 280's on road pads, ARB's and slicks. Spec-wise it's nothing to what it is now. And i didn't know the track
Good god they're civil over there. If that was on here t'other way round they'd've shut the thread by now. Fordo!
Alex, you know a lot about my car As you say, at that time my car had the standard head and KR cams 170ish bhp and it was the first time we'd run the slicks and first time at Mallory, it was the fact that the M3s weren't pulling away down the straights that day that made me think that the M3s weren't as quick as I thought they should be.
my big brother brought one back from South Africa as Part Payment from A bloke thatowed him some dough , it was an Estoril Blue Coupe e36 evo (south africans dont get Traction Control or anti skid) took it around Paisley near my Moms , F me 105 MPH in Third What a car , he offered to sell it to me but 16k was way out of my leuge and we wont even go into insuring the thing but one day i will have one or an old e30 333i
oh dear, someone on the bmw forum has a bee in their bonnet about that track day I didn't think this discussion was about the track etiquette that day?
Go for the e36 mate, estoril blue, keep it in standard trim, dont go sticking stupid neons & poo on it! V. nice cars.....Just has no....TURBO'S!!!!!
