Think I've answered my own question... It's them again, Neuspeed. Found these piccies on VWVortex - so I've lucked out without realising it, looks like it'll fit in well with the period mods I'm after. https://www.vwvortex.com/threads/fs...or-mk1-rabbit-scirocco-jetta-5-speed.8047937/
Got me going through the cars old paperwork with new eyes and found a mention of a quick shift kit bought in the mid 90's from Tim Stiles Racing... almost £65 quid without the VAT way back then. Noticed the 'adjustment' holes on this one are by two holes on the smallest bar, most images of latter day kits I've seen when Googling usually have three holes but they're on the largest bar (where the upright shaft is attached) This one just has a single hole there, but its arm is noticibly longer than standard, maybe means it likely corresponds with the furthest away one on those with three holes. The instructions in the image above quote 30% and 50% reductions available depending on which hole is used. Got a MK3 weighted shift bar, assuming it's compatible with this kit be interesting to see just how different that 50% setting feels, maybe too much?
Looking into the details of the cars distributor at the moment and as an aside found this info. on 'thesamba.com'... mostly to do with air cooled Bosch ones, but the last page was 'nerd' worthy. https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/Bosch_Tune_Up_Parts/Bosch_Tune_Up_Parts.pdf Explains how to date the month / year of manufacture, mines '349' for Sept '83 JAN FEB MAR APR MAY JUN JUL AUG SEP OCT NOV DEC 1Q 2Q 3Q 4Q 1975 521 522 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 1976 621 622 623 624 625 626 627 628 629 630 631 632 633 634 635 636 1977 721 722 723 724 725 726 727 728 729 730 731 732 733 734 735 736 1978 821 822 823 824 825 826 827 828 829 830 831 832 833 834 835 836 1979 921 922 923 924 925 926 927 928 929 930 931 932 933 934 935 936 1980 041 042 043 044 045 046 047 048 049 050 051 052 053 054 055 056 1981 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 1982 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 1983 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 1984 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 1985 541 542 543 544 545 546 547 548 549 550 551 552 1986 641 642 643 644 645 646 647 648 649 650 651 652 1987 741 742 743 744 745 746 747 748 749 750 751 752 1988 841 842 843 844 845 846 847 848 849 850 851 852 1989 941 942 943 944 945 946 947 948 949 950 951 952 1990 061 062 063 064 065 066 067 068 069 070 071 072 1991 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 1992 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272
Managed to find a Neuspeed throttle body and adapter plate. Have yet to see another black one so going to assume this was done by a previous owner... beggars can't be choosers but got to say I prefer the crackled paint look. Mentioned above I'd found some references on-line to it basically being the same body Audi used on their US 5000's and now being able to compare this one against images I'd say that's definitely the case. DVG made them both and you can even see blanking areas on the Neuspeed casing that would have the VW / Audi logo's on theirs. Some very minor differences such as the throttle cable linkage, but seems you just straight swop those about. It's the fact it's a period mod. that appeals so the adapter plate is a big bonus / decider for me. I wouldn't have been interested it getting into opening up the intake manifold etc. or doing anything that wasn't reversible. Hard to tell from the images but the difference in openings from the standard body is quite noticible.
Got tempted by a guy on eBay doing 5mm satin black acrylic twin hole panels. Unfortunately it's because I've only got the 2 x Zender gauges... dipped out on a third one a few years back but not seen another since so I've resigned myself to not needing that third slot plus it finishes the console off. Stereo still works, it's just that old there's not much left being transmitted to pick up on it other than the shipping forecast!
Picked up an Audi 80 Sport/GTE intake manifold with throttle body. Think I'm right in saying it's the DZ engine in the 80 and it's closely related to the DX? The TB is more or less the Neuspeed one (or maybe that's vice versa?) and the manifold opening is obviously already sized to take it. Got me wondering would the DZ manifold tranfer onto the Golf thereby doing away with the need to increase the opening of the DX manifold when fitting the larger Audi TB? Some ancilliaries like the 5th injector / aux. air slide etc. are in different places but does that matter if you can get around re-routeing pipes etc. With the DZ being longitudinally fitted in the 80 maybe there's more room for it's differently shaped manifold and it may not have enough space when transversley fitted in the Golf because of the bulkhead?
The guy I got the DZ manifold mentioned above from is on eBay but actually has a garage about 30 mins from me, probably wouldn't have bought it had I not've been able to see it in the flesh first. Anyhow, talk about a small world - what was in his yard but at least 2 x MK1's and a Caddy pick-up? One was on the back of a flatbed that didn't itself look to have moved in a while, but what really got me moist was it had a bodykit! He said it was Zender and I initially thought it was the round arched Z2, but it's better than that... only a Z202! If you think Z20's are scarce this is taking it to the next level. Turns out it was a (the) Skeete Motorsport car, one of their own used to promote what they did. Had heard of them but that was about as far as it went, not much on the inter-web unfortunately but did find a few references. If I've understood correctly they catered for the 'wide-body' market, not clear if the made their own or simply fitted other makers kits, Dimma etc. (or both?) The Z202 certainly fits that bill, being Zenders widest MK1. The intended wheels in combination with the kit were 8"x15", deep dish et '0' Sports. The first image is from a catalogue. Hope he won't mind but found the last two images posted by him 12 odd years ago on the MK1 Golf OC site (it's now black) when he appears to have bought it. Following up on some other inter-net references to articles in various magazines (might even be of his car!), but ideally if someone had a better knowledge / images / stories etc. of their own it would be great to see / hear them.
@TonyB Was going back over what's involved in porting the intake manifold and found this site - https://www.scientificrabbit.com/ Also made me look at your photo more closely... read something, somewhere about opening up the manifold to get at the 'runners' (is that the right term?) so as to make them equal... have you done that, looks like a weld across them? Most of all this is well over my head but doesn't mean it's not interesting.
Back to scoping out what's involved when porting the inlet manifold. Reason? Might have mentioned it earlier that I'd the head in for a refurb quite a few months back. Long story very short they weren't too thrilled to be putting their name to any work done as it'd be touch and go whether or not it'd be a good job. So could have been throwing good money after bad - fair play to them for their honesty, they do have a good reputation and I can understand them wanting to preserve it. Got me going back over the paperwork and it's looking possible that had they done it, it would be the third time round for this head and there just wasn't enough meat left on the bone. Upshot was I had to source a replacement and hit lucky with 'Autotech' Cylinder Heads in Cornwall - another outfit I can't recommend enough. For not much more than the standard replacement he'd an already ported one on the shelf, so makes sense to start exploring if / how to capitalise on it and now have a spare manifold now to work on. Going off at a tangent - cleaned up the Audi 80 (B2) throttle body. It and the Neuspeed one are definitely 99.9% identical, maybe a few extra blank holes / or blank holes in a different place on one and not the other but that's it. The Audi has a different throttle cable connection to the standard MK1's but it's simplicity to swap over and only involves the one single piece with the ball on. The only other changes are substituting the longer brass by pass screw, not essential but'll help come adjustment time. The screw adjuster for the Golfs (now swapped over) arm is in a different place on the Audi (plus that car's is smaller so can't be used) but again the VW's will swap over as there's an untapped hole already there on the Audi, just needs threaded - M5 x 0.8 tap.
Quality attention to detail as always. Hopefully this will help someone. My mate has a mk1 and I wish he would do something with it instead of collecting dust. I love a Zrnder bodykit, never new they had more than one version
Yes, that site is a well known one. Used to have quite a bit on Supervee engines as I recall, but seems to have started a re vamp but never finished so not much there now. This manifold has been cut in half and ported right up to the plenum and down to the runners. Don't think anything drastic has been done, just tided up. If you read what it says on Scientific Rabbit there must be some benefit, but I'm just using it as its the best one I had on the shelf lol.
I'm getting sooooo far ahead of myself, thinking of all these potential mods and changes while the cars still just a stripped shell.
All this talk of the cylinder head (and to keep the thread going) prompted me to give the guy doing the block a shout... it's been in for a while / queue, but wasn't an issue as I'm in no hurry. Turns out it's done so picked it up this AM. Like the head it'd probably been done twice in it's past and amongst other things was already 0.5mm oversized... so yet again a reduced scope of what could be done. He ended up sleeving it with new liners / pistons, plus did the main bearings / thrust washers / crank re-ground / big ends / skimmed and rebuilt. Bit of Googling now planned to learn in more depth about what all that actually means!
Latest tat for the collection - Press release announcing the Z20's release at the 4th - 12th., December, 1982 Essen Motor Show. Literal Google translation of the blurb on the back of the B+W photo - 'Press information. Zender Special Series - Golf Z20. For fans of wide tires, Zender has now developed a conversion kit that includes spoiler bumper, fender flares, side skirts, rear protection, double headlight grille and rear spoiler as body conversion parts, as well as a decor set. The chassis has 4 Koni shock absorbers in a special tuning developed for Zender, progressive springs, 7j x 15 H2 Zender LM (Light Metal) wheels with hidden wheel bolts and 195/50 VR15 Pirelli P7 tires. The necessary chassis reinforcements are included in this conversion kit, which costs DM 7,500 plus VAT, as well as assembly and painting costs. Publication free of charge - receipt requested. Zender GmbH, 5403 Mulhein-Karlich Tel. 0261/23023'
Touched on this in an earlier post... Got to say no plans to do it (which is why they're still minging), all just curiosity. Was comparing the spare DX (Golf) and the DZ (Audi 80) intake manifolds today and apart from the expected larger throttle body opening they're effectively the same thing, which isn't surprising since they're attached to what is fundamentally the same engine (save for their intended mounting orientation). Other notible differences are the mounting points for the 5th injector and aux. air valve. The DZ is also more rounded at it's end while the DX's has a angled / flattened top, made me think if was for reduced bonnet clearance on the Golf? If the 5th injector position on the DZ does interfere with the MK1's bulkhead could probably be moved but you're getting into the realms of it being more effort than just opening out the DX manifold would be. Having said that have read rightly or wrongly that the DX's doesn't have great deal of metal in that area if you do try grinding some away whereas the DZ's is obviously purposely cast to be correct. Be interesting to know if the swap has ever been done.
Having a mooch through some old brochures and found a couple of piccies in one of the Z20 you maybe haven't seen before. The silver cars grille isn't strictly speaking part of the Z20 kit, it should be the bigger twin light version that you'll see on the met. blue car towards the beginning of this thread / the B+W press photo, plus the red Z202 a few post above. The other grey metallic tin top is all Z20, but with 'Sports' wheels and not the usual 'Turbo's' they're usually pictured with. Having said that, when you look at the Z20 spec. sheet it just says it comes with 7x15 et 20 rims (hence the wide arches) which the 'Sports' also came in so I suppose it wasn't rigidly tied down to a particular style. Definitely that and the colour coded rear spoiler / waist trim / mirrors gives the car a subtly different look.
I think they always look great. My mate had a mk1 1.8 GTI as his first car, fully colour coded bodykit in white with a high level rear spoiler. This was the late eighties, so quite a new car. Unfortunately he never got to see his 19th birthday due to a head on.... But that car was fantastic to me, just not very lucky. I never knew if it was a BBS/ZENDER or Kamei set up
